Man charged over teen stabbing (From Leigh Journal)

pat hughes wrote:
21 yr old men shouldnt be out with weapons either

mrslopey wrote:
to timetostoptherot, how dare you talk like this about a lad that died feet from where i live, his body isn`t even cold yet are trying to slay his memory by calling him a thug . i think you should wait for the facts also , thats unless you know something we don`t , or someone, cause it sounds to me like your trying to defend what the 21 year olds done . ALSO MY CONDOLANCES TO HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS ,I didn`t know him but nobody deserves to die like that

mrslopey wrote:
We live in farnworth and can see the disruption it has cost to many a life walking up our street, seeing children crying for a friend but why was this lad walking with a knife anyway,what sick person even after an arguement and believe me iv`e had many but i could never take a life so freely as this person has done.

pat hughes wrote:
get in the real world its 2007 we cant account 24/7 where our kids are andstop blaming parents i work hard and have brought my kids up best i can

mrslopey wrote:
Pat hughes i was a tearaway at that age but but still at 21 the lad that has brutally killed Andrew , He should have known better he was not a child, but an adult so what excuse does he have for killing a boy of 16 , don`t defend yourself i bet your kid is a good lad that just like my brother of 16 does his own thing . timetostoptherot is either back in the dark ages or is very sheltered. Good luck with getting your boy through this . He has your support and love by the sounds of it.

timetostoptherot wrote:
call me old fashioned but a bit late to be out at 15 with older lads!

Aj wrote:
There is no longer a deterrent in this country. We do not punish criminals for the crimes they commit. If there is no harsh punishment then people will consider committing crime. If there was a minimum jail term, without early release, for carrying a weapon then this would reduce the number of violent attacks. Also prison should no longer be a holiday home. Hard labour, building roads or cleaning the countryside. The government has no backbone; the police and magistrights have their hands tied. To much has gone to Europe and the sham of human rights. Once you commit a crime and there is no reasonable doubt that you committed the crime then you give up your human rights.

wesley greenhalgh wrote:
i cannot belive this 2 of my best mates i saw andy dieing it wasent nice and ive startedf to get scared walking around my estae
this needs to get sorted immedeatly i think the goverment needs to stop thinking about the drinking and get to the teenagers loosing there lifes today like laura says whosw next it could be another life gone again maybe mine u dont no what people can do these dayz:@
stv
means stop the violence nowbold

pat hughes wrote:
these lads were not known trouble makers my son was there at the scene and it was royal bolton hospital they were taken to its bad news wen you are not safe going to a takaway my thoughts are with andrews family and hope my friends son recovers soon

Can someone confirm if it was a 21 Year old Asian male employed by the takeaway that was arrested for this murder?

The staff at the takeaway were not involved.

aluapenaj wrote:
I cant believe some comments on here..at the end of the day a young lad has been killed and another seriously injured. Does it matter if he used to hang around the Kearsley causing trouble? - he didnt deserve to die! Or does it matter if the arrested person is Asian or white? - justice will be served on the person regardless. I feel very much for the lads family being a mum to 2 teenagers myself. My heart goes out to you.

chipbutty wrote:
wesley greenhalgh, pat hughes, well what a pair,im x bolton cid and remember u 2 tearaways,looks like you didn,t finish your schooling off wesley as advised.The spelling hasn't improved neither has the runnaway mouth,i told you it would get you into trouble one of these days.You just don't know when to keep it shut do you.As for you pat looks like you still sit on the pc all day.

caz wrote:
reason i know the full story is my daughter is a witness 2 all this.she was in the take away same time as guy who did it.she saw him pull the knife out and exactly wot happened next.she rang for police n ambulances n rang the lads mum because e asked her to.he got arrested..she made sure of that.im proud of her for staying with lad talking to him helping him etc.shes in a right state over this.god bless those 2 lads.ive a young son also.heartfelt sympathy goes 2 parents of whom i know andrews mum n family.

King Kong wrote:
Sorry to hear someone has died but should we be surprised? The gang/pack mentality these days is driving people to fight back. Please do not try and tell me the victim and his friends were as pure as the driven snow, stone cold sober and on their way to choir practice. I have seen the gangs of louts around Plodder Lane, I have had my car surrounded and stones thrown at it. My sister lives in the area and her life is a misery for the abuse from kids she and her neighbours get. I do not know the ins and outs of the incident and it is tragic but the way gangs of youths are today - it is no surprise! Should we not learn from this and the parents start taking responsibility. I read some on here say you cannot know where your 15 yr old is 24/7 - Why not? Is it so you get a bit of peace when they go out? Is it an easy excuse so you do not have to have an interest in your kids upbringing? We see the scenes on TV daily and there have been countless deaths at the hands of gangs of youths - should we be surprised that one of them has ended up being been killed? It needs sorting.

pat hughes wrote:

King Kong wrote: Sorry to hear someone has died but should we be surprised? The gang/pack mentality these days is driving people to fight back. Please do not try and tell me the victim and his friends were as pure as the driven snow, stone cold sober and on their way to choir practice. I have seen the gangs of louts around Plodder Lane, I have had my car surrounded and stones thrown at it. My sister lives in the area and her life is a misery for the abuse from kids she and her neighbours get. I do not know the ins and outs of the incident and it is tragic but the way gangs of youths are today - it is no surprise! Should we not learn from this and the parents start taking responsibility. I read some on here say you cannot know where your 15 yr old is 24/7 - Why not? Is it so you get a bit of peace when they go out? Is it an easy excuse so you do not have to have an interest in your kids upbringing? We see the scenes on TV daily and there have been countless deaths at the hands of gangs of youths - should we be surprised that one of them has ended up being been killed? It needs sorting.

kids of today what to do ther own thing and excuse but i never go out and its not to get some peace HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME AND PLEASE THIS IS A TRIBUTE TO ANDREW NOT A DEBATE SITE HAVE SOME RESPECT NOW PLEASE R.I.P.ANDREW COME ON CURTIS GET WELL SOON AND GET BACK HOME SO I CAN SEE YOUR SMILING FACE SOON

King Kong wrote:
Sorry to hear someone has died but should we be surprised? The gang/pack mentality these days is driving people to fight back. Please do not try and tell me the victim and his friends were as pure as the driven snow, stone cold sober and on their way to choir practice. I have seen the gangs of louts around Plodder Lane, I have had my car surrounded and stones thrown at it. My sister lives in the area and her life is a misery for the abuse from kids she and her neighbours get. I do not know the ins and outs of the incident and it is tragic but the way gangs of youths are today - it is no surprise! Should we not learn from this and the parents start taking responsibility. I read some on here say you cannot know where your 15 yr old is 24/7 - Why not? Is it so you get a bit of peace when they go out? Is it an easy excuse so you do not have to have an interest in your kids upbringing? We see the scenes on TV daily and there have been countless deaths at the hands of gangs of youths - should we be surprised that one of them has ended up being been killed? It needs sorting.

jellybaba wrote:

King Kong wrote: Sorry to hear someone has died but should we be surprised? The gang/pack mentality these days is driving people to fight back. Please do not try and tell me the victim and his friends were as pure as the driven snow, stone cold sober and on their way to choir practice. I have seen the gangs of louts around Plodder Lane, I have had my car surrounded and stones thrown at it. My sister lives in the area and her life is a misery for the abuse from kids she and her neighbours get. I do not know the ins and outs of the incident and it is tragic but the way gangs of youths are today - it is no surprise! Should we not learn from this and the parents start taking responsibility. I read some on here say you cannot know where your 15 yr old is 24/7 - Why not? Is it so you get a bit of peace when they go out? Is it an easy excuse so you do not have to have an interest in your kids upbringing? We see the scenes on TV daily and there have been countless deaths at the hands of gangs of youths - should we be surprised that one of them has ended up being been killed? It needs sorting.

you cant keep stereotyping people i have a seven year old who is not a saint he can be as bad as the next seven year old but i love him dearly he plays with kids on our estate who are also seven + and some of there parents dont give a flying f what or where there kids r at. when theres trouble i have had people knock on my door and my son was nowhere in site but because he hangs around with them he also has been branded its a joke a boy has died whether he was a saint or not he did not deserve to die.

King Kong wrote:

jellybaba wrote:

King Kong wrote: Sorry to hear someone has died but should we be surprised? The gang/pack mentality these days is driving people to fight back. Please do not try and tell me the victim and his friends were as pure as the driven snow, stone cold sober and on their way to choir practice. I have seen the gangs of louts around Plodder Lane, I have had my car surrounded and stones thrown at it. My sister lives in the area and her life is a misery for the abuse from kids she and her neighbours get. I do not know the ins and outs of the incident and it is tragic but the way gangs of youths are today - it is no surprise! Should we not learn from this and the parents start taking responsibility. I read some on here say you cannot know where your 15 yr old is 24/7 - Why not? Is it so you get a bit of peace when they go out? Is it an easy excuse so you do not have to have an interest in your kids upbringing? We see the scenes on TV daily and there have been countless deaths at the hands of gangs of youths - should we be surprised that one of them has ended up being been killed? It needs sorting.

you cant keep stereotyping people i have a seven year old who is not a saint he can be as bad as the next seven year old but i love him dearly he plays with kids on our estate who are also seven + and some of there parents dont give a flying f what or where there kids r at. when theres trouble i have had people knock on my door and my son was nowhere in site but because he hangs around with them he also has been branded its a joke a boy has died whether he was a saint or not he did not deserve to die.

7 years old and hanging around on the estate with a gang and folk knocking on your door about him?!?!?! If you cannot see what wrong you are doind that child then you need help. He should be learning to develop into a law abiding man who respects others, can soicialise, get a job and so on. By allowing him to roam the streets with an estate gang is leading to one place... A black hoody, cap and an attitude. What happened to Scouts, Cadets, playing football, going to the park/zoo/for a walk etc. It is not just about loving someone.

WUMPKINS wrote:
All this will never cease until laws are passed by the country.
I E:TO BE CAUGHT WITH OR USE OF AN OFFESIVE WEAPON JAIL SENTENCE(NO REMMISSIONS)

MINIMUM 10 YEARS
MINIMUM 10 YEARS

ron bates wrote:
I repeat,we must demand our democratic right to have a referendom so we can voice our concern about immigration,our country is over populated, its time to start repatriating some of them back to were they came from, if they were born here pay them to go back to their ancestral lands.

King Kong wrote:

ron bates wrote: I repeat,we must demand our democratic right to have a referendom so we can voice our concern about immigration,our country is over populated, its time to start repatriating some of them back to were they came from, if they were born here pay them to go back to their ancestral lands.

Yeah, good idea Ron. Why don't we sort out the gangs of unruly white kids that terrorise neighborhoods, families, business' and cause drunken havoc first. Last week we were mourning the death of Garry Newlove in Warrington. That could have been so different had Mr Newlove taken a weapon or had been a fighter and killed one of the thugs outside his house damaging his property and terrorising his family. He would have been in court and we would have been mourning the poor young youth 'murdered' by brute of a man. Unfortunately people are at the end of their tether with gangs of drunken louts and business/takeaway workers are no different. We can imagine, if you like, that this was an unprovoked attack on an innocent young sober boy, by a knife weilding illegal immigrant, but I think the truth would be more that it was a drunken gang of hoody wearing, cap wearing, drunken thugs terrorising the staff at a local takeaway and one of the staff has taken a knife and gone for one of the thugs. And as for the repatriation, what if other countries started sending English migrants back here? We would be full. There are plenty of white thieving heroin addicts, crack head prostitutes and dole dossers scrounging from the state that I would want sorting out before people earning a living in a take-away are sent home. It is an easy bandwagon to jump on, how do you know the guy is an immigrant? Because of his name - How educated. Do you know there are more illegal immigrants from Australia in this country than from anywhere else. Does that bother you, or do they have to be a different colour?

Straight Talker wrote:
Well, there are a number of issues I would like to comment on here, and no I haven't read the full story, but regardless of what happened, no lad needed to have died - what on earth happended to talking about issues, or even good-old "queensbury" rules? 1) My thoughts go out to the family of the victim? 2) The offender will not get anything like a life sentence - my bet is 15 years at best! 3) The goverment/Home Office need to do something urgently, because more people are going to die in similar circumstances, unless they do. 4) I know the maximum penalty for carrying a knife 10 years, but at the moment there are no prison spaces, so the courts cannot imprison offenders, and are subsequently releasing them to roam the streets! This country is so screwed up its unbelievable! One person made a comment about human rights, and to be frank, he is spot on! HUMAN WRONGS, SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN HUMAN RIGHTS! I mean, lets face it, when the Police go and make an arrest, they obviously have some sort of reasonable suspicion, and they don't just lock people up willy-nilly. So, why should these people be given a solicitor and legal advice and all the rest of their usual help at great cost to the tax-payer!

emma wrote:

King Kong wrote:

ron bates wrote: I repeat,we must demand our democratic right to have a referendom so we can voice our concern about immigration,our country is over populated, its time to start repatriating some of them back to were they came from, if they were born here pay them to go back to their ancestral lands.

Yeah, good idea Ron. Why don\'t we sort out the gangs of unruly white kids that terrorise neighborhoods, families, business\' and cause drunken havoc first. Last week we were mourning the death of Garry Newlove in Warrington. That could have been so different had Mr Newlove taken a weapon or had been a fighter and killed one of the thugs outside his house damaging his property and terrorising his family. He would have been in court and we would have been mourning the poor young youth \'murdered\' by brute of a man. Unfortunately people are at the end of their tether with gangs of drunken louts and business/takeaway workers are no different. We can imagine, if you like, that this was an unprovoked attack on an innocent young sober boy, by a knife weilding illegal immigrant, but I think the truth would be more that it was a drunken gang of hoody wearing, cap wearing, drunken thugs terrorising the staff at a local takeaway and one of the staff has taken a knife and gone for one of the thugs. And as for the repatriation, what if other countries started sending English migrants back here? We would be full. There are plenty of white thieving heroin addicts, crack head prostitutes and dole dossers scrounging from the state that I would want sorting out before people earning a living in a take-away are sent home. It is an easy bandwagon to jump on, how do you know the guy is an immigrant? Because of his name - How educated. Do you know there are more illegal immigrants from Australia in this country than from anywhere else. Does that bother you, or do they have to be a different colour?

Well said!

No they just have to fit into OUR culture! Simple really mate!

JoePublic wrote:

No they just have to fit into OUR culture! Simple really mate!

Looks like they're doing a good job of fitting in if they're walking around tooled up.

only me wrote:

JoePublic wrote:

No they just have to fit into OUR culture! Simple really mate!

Looks like they're doing a good job of fitting in if they're walking around tooled up.

Has anybody thought about the fact this guy was from a Take Away, he may not have been walking round "tooled up", knives are in abundance in a Take Away??????

Chris Baron wrote:
It's a very sad day for the people of Farnworth. I don't know what went on , but for someone to do that to 2 boys is unbeleiveable. As for them being out late , 10.30pm isn't that late for a couple of lads getting some supper. It's time the police were given more money to get real coppers back on the beat instead of these plastic policeman we now get. Condolances to to everyone who knows the 2 lads and their families. RIP young Andrew and pray for the other lad still fighting for his life in hospital.

harry wrote:
surely the lad that has just been in court should be charged for murder and attempted murder not murder and GBH.

coachbob wrote:
Firstly, my thoughts are with Andy's family at this tragic time. May you find the strength to get you through these troubled times. The thoughts of my family are with you. My stepson and daughter were good friends of Andy and have been distraught this weekend with the news.

I've been reading this closely in the attempt of understanding more what actually drove this man to commit such a violent act. I've also been trying to shield my kids from anything upsetting, even though they are 16 & 17.

I can't believe people on here who jump to conclusions about people they don't know. I'm not just talking about the slurs people have made about Andy and his mates, i'm also talking about the slurs against the takeaway owners and generally trying to turn this into a race and yob rule issue.

I'm not for one minute saying Andy was always an angel because I had, on one occasion, cause to reprimand him myself over something he said. However, this was a few years ago and the last time I spoke with him he had matured into quite a personable lad and someone you could hold a decent conversation with. Why then do people automatically assume he was associated with gang culture? Because he dressed a certain way?

My son is 16 tomorrow and has just left school this year. He wears tracksuits and hooded tops but actually looks smart sometimes with it. Yes he occasionally goes to parties where they drink. I would like to say though that he is responsible, sensible and i'm so proud to be his stepson at the moment. He has managed to get himself an apprenticeship after he failed exams for his first 2 attempts at gaining one.

What i'm trying to get across is that just because people have a certain culture, way of life or even certain group of friends, they are not all bad apples and most are actually ok lads when you talk to them like adults and not like scum.

Maybe if more people went out of their way to spend time with these kids and give them a bit of respect, then the respect would come back and we could move on with society. I've spent time over the last 18 years as a football coach and seen so many kids turn out to be decent lads because they learnt respect.

Instead of moaning about these kids, spend a bit of time looking at what you can do for them and your community as a whole. Don't just dismiss them as people who aren't worth giving the time of day.

Tom Thumb wrote:

coachbob wrote:
Firstly, my thoughts are with Andy's family at this tragic time. May you find the strength to get you through these troubled times. The thoughts of my family are with you. My stepson and daughter were good friends of Andy and have been distraught this weekend with the news.

I've been reading this closely in the attempt of understanding more what actually drove this man to commit such a violent act. I've also been trying to shield my kids from anything upsetting, even though they are 16 & 17.

I can't believe people on here who jump to conclusions about people they don't know. I'm not just talking about the slurs people have made about Andy and his mates, i'm also talking about the slurs against the takeaway owners and generally trying to turn this into a race and yob rule issue.

I'm not for one minute saying Andy was always an angel because I had, on one occasion, cause to reprimand him myself over something he said. However, this was a few years ago and the last time I spoke with him he had matured into quite a personable lad and someone you could hold a decent conversation with. Why then do people automatically assume he was associated with gang culture? Because he dressed a certain way?

My son is 16 tomorrow and has just left school this year. He wears tracksuits and hooded tops but actually looks smart sometimes with it. Yes he occasionally goes to parties where they drink. I would like to say though that he is responsible, sensible and i'm so proud to be his stepson at the moment. He has managed to get himself an apprenticeship after he failed exams for his first 2 attempts at gaining one.

What i'm trying to get across is that just because people have a certain culture, way of life or even certain group of friends, they are not all bad apples and most are actually ok lads when you talk to them like adults and not like scum.

Maybe if more people went out of their way to spend time with these kids and give them a bit of respect, then the respect would come back and we could move on with society. I've spent time over the last 18 years as a football coach and seen so many kids turn out to be decent lads because they learnt respect.

Instead of moaning about these kids, spend a bit of time looking at what you can do for them and your community as a whole. Don't just dismiss them as people who aren't worth giving the time of day.

Why shield them Bob?

Tell them the truth. The next time they are out in a gang and try and intimidate a take away owner they might just get more than they bargained for.

The perpertrator needs to be locked up.

The problem here is respect. No body has any respect anymore for anyone else.

Until we start to teach our kids respect we cannot protect them from anything.

coachbob wrote:

Tom Thumb wrote:

coachbob wrote:
Firstly, my thoughts are with Andy's family at this tragic time. May you find the strength to get you through these troubled times. The thoughts of my family are with you. My stepson and daughter were good friends of Andy and have been distraught this weekend with the news.

I've been reading this closely in the attempt of understanding more what actually drove this man to commit such a violent act. I've also been trying to shield my kids from anything upsetting, even though they are 16 & 17.

I can't believe people on here who jump to conclusions about people they don't know. I'm not just talking about the slurs people have made about Andy and his mates, i'm also talking about the slurs against the takeaway owners and generally trying to turn this into a race and yob rule issue.

I'm not for one minute saying Andy was always an angel because I had, on one occasion, cause to reprimand him myself over something he said. However, this was a few years ago and the last time I spoke with him he had matured into quite a personable lad and someone you could hold a decent conversation with. Why then do people automatically assume he was associated with gang culture? Because he dressed a certain way?

My son is 16 tomorrow and has just left school this year. He wears tracksuits and hooded tops but actually looks smart sometimes with it. Yes he occasionally goes to parties where they drink. I would like to say though that he is responsible, sensible and i'm so proud to be his stepson at the moment. He has managed to get himself an apprenticeship after he failed exams for his first 2 attempts at gaining one.

What i'm trying to get across is that just because people have a certain culture, way of life or even certain group of friends, they are not all bad apples and most are actually ok lads when you talk to them like adults and not like scum.

Maybe if more people went out of their way to spend time with these kids and give them a bit of respect, then the respect would come back and we could move on with society. I've spent time over the last 18 years as a football coach and seen so many kids turn out to be decent lads because they learnt respect.

Instead of moaning about these kids, spend a bit of time looking at what you can do for them and your community as a whole. Don't just dismiss them as people who aren't worth giving the time of day.

Why shield them Bob?

Tell them the truth. The next time they are out in a gang and try and intimidate a take away owner they might just get more than they bargained for.

The perpertrator needs to be locked up.

The problem here is respect. No body has any respect anymore for anyone else.

Until we start to teach our kids respect we cannot protect them from anything.

Tom Thumb. I shield them from idiotic comments about someone they cared about. I don't shield them from the realities of life.

They actually act as mediators to a lot of the problems they come up against, an agony aunt if you like. That's what the kids need. Someone to talk to when they have troubles.

Regarding this incident I think you will find that Andy had very little to do with intimidating the staff.

I agree with the respect thing but it's also a 2 way thing. Show them some respect as well when they actually do some good.

I command respect from the kids I coach football to because I respect their individuality and don't want clones.

coachbob wrote:

harry wrote: surely the lad that has just been in court should be charged for murder and attempted murder not murder and GBH.

Harry, I think he is charged with Murder and Assault with a deadly weapon?

coachbob wrote:
Hey King Kong, firstly I don't appreciate you insinuating that my son is the same as every other kid who hangs around in a gang. You don't know him so I suggest you don't refer to him as a yob and take my word that he is actually a quite sensible lad. Secondly, don't get all high and mighty about the fact kids drink these days at 15. Don't tell me that 40 years ago kids weren't drinking. I've spoken to many a person who says that they drank as a teenager, against the law or not. I don't need you to tell me the law. Fact is, parties happen, the few our son attends are supervised by adults as will be his party this week. They are allowed a certain amount of drink. He doesn't come home trolleyed or offensive and doesn't annoy our neighbours. Our neighbours are decent people like us and actually find him a good lad. Not for one minute do I suggest you can appeal to every kids better nature but I have to say, it's the minority that give the rest a bad name. Try and understand these kids issues before you fly off the handle at them. Drinking on the streets is wrong I agree, that's down to the parents and police to deal with. My kids drink when they are allowed and in moderation. Lastly, did you not have any mates as a child? I know for a fact that through the ages, kids have always played together in groups and gangs. Don't tell me that's against the law as well is it?

coachbob wrote:
King Kong

Where does it say they tried to pinch the till? Do you have any hard facts to back this up?

Like I said previously don't assume that this incident is associated with the kind of behaviour you are obviously so passionate about. Also, don't link my son with that kind of behaviour and don't be so narrow minded as to what goes on behind closed doors.

Some of the kids I have had to deal with have been beaten, abused and generally led a dogs life. My own step children had to see their mother being beaten before she met myself. How would you deal with this and who should deal with it?

It's society as a whole that should offer these kids support and like I said earlier, get off your backside and do something constructive for them. My ambition is to be able to run a local academy for these kids where they can come and play football and be involved in running the place as well.

Who would back me with this? Come on, someone out there must be able to source more funding than we are already getting for Farnworth?

Sunny wrote:
My ambition is to be able to run a local academy for these kids where they can come and play football and be involved in running the place as well.
They have one its called The Bolton Lads and Girls Club

Sunny wrote:
My ambition is to be able to run a local academy for these kids where they can come and play football and be involved in running the place as well.
They have one its called The Bolton Lads and Girls Club

coachbob wrote:
Can I just apologise for turning my postings into a personal crusade to get something done in Farnworth to help these kids. There are far better places to air my views on this subject and I've strayed from why I came here in the first place - to pay my respects and defend Andy.

emma wrote:

coachbob wrote:
Can I just apologise for turning my postings into a personal crusade to get something done in Farnworth to help these kids. There are far better places to air my views on this subject and I've strayed from why I came here in the first place - to pay my respects and defend Andy.

coachbob, there are to many narrow minded posters on this site that will sit on there pc day in day out reading sites such as this and leaving there drivel about what should be done and what people should be doing.The majority of them dont have a clue whats going on in the real world, they base their so called knowledge on what they read of the one sided, half baked tales papers like this report. If you dare have an opinion that differs to theirs they then begin to try and belittle you by pulling you up on your spelling and grammar, luckily you can spell.
You are totally right when you say there are better places than this to air your views on the subject,It will fall on deaf ears on these threads , I myself congratulate you on your aim to try and help the kids of Farnworth. Good on ya!

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Jethro Tull wrote:
Bring back the death penalty !

Alan wrote:

Jethro Tull wrote: Bring back the death penalty !

Thats a bit harsh for kids abusing take away staff.

emma wrote:

Alan wrote:

Jethro Tull wrote: Bring back the death penalty !

Thats a bit harsh for kids abusing take away staff.

how do you know tehy were abusing the takeaway staff Alan, im not saying your wrong but just intrigued as to where you and the others on here saying the same get your info from

andrea wrote:
i hope andrews parents are not reading this site this what i have read is horrible all the speculation out these 2 kids arging with take away staff and pinching the till. but you all fail to notice a 21 year old man has stabbed them both and one has died and the other seriously injured. obviously he has taken the weapon out for a reason but you narrow minded readers only focus on them being 16 and hanging aroung a take away how do you know they was not just getting some supper. to andrews parents if you are reading these comments sorry for your loss

King Kong wrote:

jellybaba wrote:

King Kong wrote: Sorry to hear someone has died but should we be surprised? The gang/pack mentality these days is driving people to fight back. Please do not try and tell me the victim and his friends were as pure as the driven snow, stone cold sober and on their way to choir practice. I have seen the gangs of louts around Plodder Lane, I have had my car surrounded and stones thrown at it. My sister lives in the area and her life is a misery for the abuse from kids she and her neighbours get. I do not know the ins and outs of the incident and it is tragic but the way gangs of youths are today - it is no surprise! Should we not learn from this and the parents start taking responsibility. I read some on here say you cannot know where your 15 yr old is 24/7 - Why not? Is it so you get a bit of peace when they go out? Is it an easy excuse so you do not have to have an interest in your kids upbringing? We see the scenes on TV daily and there have been countless deaths at the hands of gangs of youths - should we be surprised that one of them has ended up being been killed? It needs sorting.

you cant keep stereotyping people i have a seven year old who is not a saint he can be as bad as the next seven year old but i love him dearly he plays with kids on our estate who are also seven + and some of there parents dont give a flying f what or where there kids r at. when theres trouble i have had people knock on my door and my son was nowhere in site but because he hangs around with them he also has been branded its a joke a boy has died whether he was a saint or not he did not deserve to die.

7 years old and hanging around on the estate with a gang and folk knocking on your door about him?!?!?! If you cannot see what wrong you are doind that child then you need help. He should be learning to develop into a law abiding man who respects others, can soicialise, get a job and so on. By allowing him to roam the streets with an estate gang is leading to one place... A black hoody, cap and an attitude. What happened to Scouts, Cadets, playing football, going to the park/zoo/for a walk etc. It is not just about loving someone.

King Kong wrote:
"No they just have to fit into OUR culture! Simple really mate!" And what is our culture? Standing back and letting a gang of thugs terrorise you and steal your till from your business? The man went too far, I agree, but I will not believe that he just turned on the victim for no reason! Back any living creature into a corner and it will strike out. It is the same when car thieves die when police chase them, parents point the finger at anyone but themselves who have not instilled discipline in THEIR children and allow them to roam the streets breaking the law. Sorry but the parents of these thugs need to be brought to task.

coachbob wrote:
Hey King Kong, firstly I don't appreciate you insinuating that my son is the same as every other kid who hangs around in a gang. You don't know him so I suggest you don't refer to him as a yob and take my word that he is actually a quite sensible lad. Secondly, don't get all high and mighty about the fact kids drink these days at 15. Don't tell me that 40 years ago kids weren't drinking. I've spoken to many a person who says that they drank as a teenager, against the law or not. I don't need you to tell me the law. Fact is, parties happen, the few our son attends are supervised by adults as will be his party this week. They are allowed a certain amount of drink. He doesn't come home trolleyed or offensive and doesn't annoy our neighbours. Our neighbours are decent people like us and actually find him a good lad. Not for one minute do I suggest you can appeal to every kids better nature but I have to say, it's the minority that give the rest a bad name. Try and understand these kids issues before you fly off the handle at them. Drinking on the streets is wrong I agree, that's down to the parents and police to deal with. My kids drink when they are allowed and in moderation. Lastly, did you not have any mates as a child? I know for a fact that through the ages, kids have always played together in groups and gangs. Don't tell me that's against the law as well is it?

jellybaba wrote:

coachbob wrote: Hey King Kong, firstly I don't appreciate you insinuating that my son is the same as every other kid who hangs around in a gang. You don't know him so I suggest you don't refer to him as a yob and take my word that he is actually a quite sensible lad. Secondly, don't get all high and mighty about the fact kids drink these days at 15. Don't tell me that 40 years ago kids weren't drinking. I've spoken to many a person who says that they drank as a teenager, against the law or not. I don't need you to tell me the law. Fact is, parties happen, the few our son attends are supervised by adults as will be his party this week. They are allowed a certain amount of drink. He doesn't come home trolleyed or offensive and doesn't annoy our neighbours. Our neighbours are decent people like us and actually find him a good lad. Not for one minute do I suggest you can appeal to every kids better nature but I have to say, it's the minority that give the rest a bad name. Try and understand these kids issues before you fly off the handle at them. Drinking on the streets is wrong I agree, that's down to the parents and police to deal with. My kids drink when they are allowed and in moderation. Lastly, did you not have any mates as a child? I know for a fact that through the ages, kids have always played together in groups and gangs. Don't tell me that's against the law as well is it?

dont justify yourself to this idiot hes obviousley jealous because he had a sad childhood were he sat in a corner and played with barbies. get a life king kong and make the most of it

rach wrote:
What a tragedy that this has happened & an even bigger tradgedy that it's being reported that the bloke didn't work for the chippy when he was in fact their delivery driver & that the staff at the chippy supposedly moped up all traces of blood from inside the chippy before the police arrived. What an insult to the family & all mothers that the chippy dared to reopen it's doors on Monday, surely the owner should show some respect to the family by closing for at least 7 days if not permantley, I'm quite sure if the owner was white they would never have reopened on Monday. To Andy, his family & all his friends our upmost sympathy to you all I hope you all find the strength to come through this nightmare, Andy was a lovely lad, as is his brothers & certainly did not deserve this. As for Curtis, he too is a nice lad, a bit quiet from what i've seen when he's been out & about taking his dog out for a walk, our prayers are with you for a speedy recovery. Lets hope the truth does eventually get reported & that justice prevails with deportation at the end of it, that's the best we can hope for as we are too soft to bring back capital punishment which would be a more fitting punishment to the scum that thinks he has the right to take a life. RIP Andy XX

alison wrote:
as someone said that the takeaway opened on monday. we was putting flowers down on saturday night and they was going to reopen then but the police stopped them from doing so.

keeley wrote:

alison wrote: as someone said that the takeaway opened on monday. we was putting flowers down on saturday night and they was going to reopen then but the police stopped them from doing so.

What an absolute joke. these people have no respect. its all about making money.

Jane wrote:

keeley wrote:

alison wrote: as someone said that the takeaway opened on monday. we was putting flowers down on saturday night and they was going to reopen then but the police stopped them from doing so.

What an absolute joke. these people have no respect. its all about making money.

I agree with you. These people are just about making money. although i dont think that they are going to have many customers after this tradgedy happening on their doorstep.

King Kong wrote:
Is there a link between a perons attitude/way of life and spelling/grammar? Does spelling words like rappers/gangsters give a negative feel to a page that is a tribute to someone who may have died as a result of a culture which encourages knives, guns, drugs and violence? I struggle to read a lot of these posts which appear to be in a language different to the English I know. Can we not use proper vocabulary? Words are being spelt as they sound - or duz dat not matta?

King Kong wrote:

jellybaba wrote:

coachbob wrote: Hey King Kong, firstly I don't appreciate you insinuating that my son is the same as every other kid who hangs around in a gang. You don't know him so I suggest you don't refer to him as a yob and take my word that he is actually a quite sensible lad. Secondly, don't get all high and mighty about the fact kids drink these days at 15. Don't tell me that 40 years ago kids weren't drinking. I've spoken to many a person who says that they drank as a teenager, against the law or not. I don't need you to tell me the law. Fact is, parties happen, the few our son attends are supervised by adults as will be his party this week. They are allowed a certain amount of drink. He doesn't come home trolleyed or offensive and doesn't annoy our neighbours. Our neighbours are decent people like us and actually find him a good lad. Not for one minute do I suggest you can appeal to every kids better nature but I have to say, it's the minority that give the rest a bad name. Try and understand these kids issues before you fly off the handle at them. Drinking on the streets is wrong I agree, that's down to the parents and police to deal with. My kids drink when they are allowed and in moderation. Lastly, did you not have any mates as a child? I know for a fact that through the ages, kids have always played together in groups and gangs. Don't tell me that's against the law as well is it?

dont justify yourself to this idiot hes obviousley jealous because he had a sad childhood were he sat in a corner and played with barbies. get a life king kong and make the most of it

Yep, must be jealous, I must have had a sad childhood. Wish I was your kid playing unsupervised on a park in the middle of an estate - god, that would beat my weekends away, playing football, swimming, holidays all over the world, caravaning around Wales and having an allotment with my grandad. I wonder why I have no criminal record, a good job, house and respect for others? You got personal!!

King Kong wrote:
Emma, I do apologise if I have upset you, I did not mean to. My comment about the use of 'slang' does show how 'out of touch' I may be, but I doubt that studying the English GCSE results next week will prove anything as I am sure that anyone writing in such a manner in an English exam would not be so happy at their result. That said, I will apologise if I have upset anyone but we are allowed our points of view. My comment about childhood was after mine was criticised with an unprovoked comment, which I did react to quite harshly, admitted. I think this needs to go to bed now as we have detracted from the main point. There is a seperate page to remember Andrew on and leave messages. We could disagree forever on the rights and wrongs of todays society but myself I do not see anything change any time soon.