Stayaway Reebok fans: What's the answer?
10:51am Wednesday 14th November 2007
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BOLTON Wanderers are banking on new boss Gary Megson delivering results that will lift them clear of the relegation zone and ease growing concerns over a dramatic drop in attendances.
Crowd figures at the Reebok have slumped to a record low as the Whites have struggled at the wrong end of the Premiership.
We want all supporters to give the club their backing and there are a great number who are and many more will as soon as results start to come
- commercial director, Gareth Moores
And, while they are considering a range of incentives to boost gates, they don't expect any significant improvement until the team starts climbing the table.
"The stark reality is that the club is struggling on the pitch," commercial director, Gareth Moores, said.
"We're in the bottom three and a lot of supporters have voted with their feet.
"What we need to do is deliver results, which I'm sure we will.
"We've seen some terrific performances recently, which we are all confident will soon start to translate into results."
The attendance of 17,624 for Sunday's clash with Middlesbrough was the lowest for a Premier League game since the Reebok opened in September 1997, down almost 800 on the previous low for the Aston Villa game a fortnight earlier.
And although the drop was almost entirely accounted for by the number of visiting supporters, the crowd was 3,500 lower than the correspondiong fixture last season, despite an incentive offering season ticket holders a chance to bring a friend and get a free ticket for the forthcoming UEFA Cup game against Aris Salonica.
"Previous incentives, when we have reduced ticket prices, have been very successful," Moores said. "But we had comments from season ticket holders asking What is in it for us?' So instead of reducing the ticket price, we did it slightly different for the Middlesbrough game and offered the incentive to the season ticket holders.
"Unfortunately, that was not anywhere near as successful, but we'll certainly review the situation and might consider doing something similar again, although it's not necessarily a pricing thing. Results and performances are the main factor."
Attendances are currently averaging 20,558 - down 13 per cent on last season's average which was 6.5 per cent down on the previous year's - despite a 10 per cent drop in season ticket prices. A variety of factors have contributed to the decline: the lack of a big name signing, 10 home games in the first three months, and the managerial turmoil.
But it is results - Wanderers have won just one of their first 13 Premier League games - that are proving a turn-off for the fans.
"The Aston Villa game was sandwiched between two cup games and clearly attending Premier League football is a (financial) burden on every family," Moores acknowledged. "Many selected one or both the cup gmes and chose to sit at home and watch the Aston Villa game on Sky.
"We have had a lot of home games in a short space of time. But we can't get complacent. What will bring people back to the Reebok is good football and winning games.
"We can slash prices - as we did for the first European game (against Rabotnicki) when we only charged £5 - but even that didn't fill the stadium."
The Boro gate - more than 10,000 down on the Reebok's capacity - came just three days after 4,000 Wanderers fans cheered the team's dramatic 2-2 draw at Bayern Munich in the UEFA Cup. But Wanderers acknowledged that many of those who travelled to Germany had taken a financial hammering.
"There were a lot of positives to take from that, which might have suggested there'd be an attendance bounce," Moores said, "but, on the other hand, a lot of people spent an awful lot of money going to Munich and there are, clearly, more attractive fixtures than Bolton-Middlesbrough.
"It is a concern for us, absolutely. But it isn't just a Bolton Wanderers problem. There has been an attendance decline across a number of clubs in recent years. The one thing we have to recognise is that our position in the league is far lower than the position we have enjoyed in recent years.
"We want all supporters to give the club their backing and there are a great number who are and many more will as soon as results start to come.
"Season ticket sales were down to just under 14,000 in the summer but we had just come off the back of four years as the fifth best performing team in the Premier League. Sam Allardyce left the club and a lot of people thought we had reached the top of the mountain."
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YouriLeGod, Bolton says...
11:11am Wed 14 Nov 07
I think that most reasonable fans will agree that we have overachieved over the past few years. 20 years ago when we were schlepping around the likes of Scarborough, Halifax and York, nobody would ever have believed we would be playing Bayern Munich, Marseilles and Red Star Belgrade in Europe.
But we managed it and expectations rose, as did the crowds and a new stadium.
Now it looks like we are struggling and are under achieving. Lets face it, most of us thought we would struggle this season after the way we finished last season.
There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.
We are seen as the root cause of the problem. We complain when things don't go well and have the audacity to pick and choose which matches we attend. Well after the game on Sunday, is it any wonder? I have been a season ticket holder for many years and go to all home games but don't travel away as I think football is too expensive. Over the years we have had some great atmospheres at the Reebok but the place seems like it has died. No doubt the United match will be the same. No atmosphere and a resignation that we are here on one of our 'free games'.
The board are looking at new ways of delivering the product to our fans. What a crock of ****. What is wrong with a winning team or a team that gets beaten, but at least has a bloody good go? A set of fans that gets behind the team whatever the situation. It can be done, I bet a large proportion of those that went to Munich didn't expect a draw or a win.
It is time that the board looked closer to home and sorted out the problems themselves. It is very easy to say that there are not enough coming through the gates. Make it more attractive.
It says on my season ticket 'This is My Club'.
Well it doesn't feel like it.
I feel like we are people they see as a money making opportunity, who can be sponged for every penny they can get out of us. Even outside with those idiots trying every week to flog me a BWFC credit card. The board seem that they are just looking at money making instead of the real reason for existance which is in the name of the club.
As far as I am aware our name is Bolton Wanderers Football Club. It is my club, in that I support it, but there is very little else I feel like I have in common with it. They don't listen to fans, as has been bourne out in the past month or so.
They face alot more people turning their backs on the club and have only themselves to blame.
Sorry for the ramble but thats how I feel.
Forza Whites!
But we managed it and expectations rose, as did the crowds and a new stadium.
Now it looks like we are struggling and are under achieving. Lets face it, most of us thought we would struggle this season after the way we finished last season.
There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.
We are seen as the root cause of the problem. We complain when things don't go well and have the audacity to pick and choose which matches we attend. Well after the game on Sunday, is it any wonder? I have been a season ticket holder for many years and go to all home games but don't travel away as I think football is too expensive. Over the years we have had some great atmospheres at the Reebok but the place seems like it has died. No doubt the United match will be the same. No atmosphere and a resignation that we are here on one of our 'free games'.
The board are looking at new ways of delivering the product to our fans. What a crock of ****. What is wrong with a winning team or a team that gets beaten, but at least has a bloody good go? A set of fans that gets behind the team whatever the situation. It can be done, I bet a large proportion of those that went to Munich didn't expect a draw or a win.
It is time that the board looked closer to home and sorted out the problems themselves. It is very easy to say that there are not enough coming through the gates. Make it more attractive.
It says on my season ticket 'This is My Club'.
Well it doesn't feel like it.
I feel like we are people they see as a money making opportunity, who can be sponged for every penny they can get out of us. Even outside with those idiots trying every week to flog me a BWFC credit card. The board seem that they are just looking at money making instead of the real reason for existance which is in the name of the club.
As far as I am aware our name is Bolton Wanderers Football Club. It is my club, in that I support it, but there is very little else I feel like I have in common with it. They don't listen to fans, as has been bourne out in the past month or so.
They face alot more people turning their backs on the club and have only themselves to blame.
Sorry for the ramble but thats how I feel.
Forza Whites!
birch, chorley says...
11:17am Wed 14 Nov 07
The board is paying the price for not doing enough in the summer, this was the first season i did not get a season ticket in 15. why because there was no incentive to buy one, it would have cost me £466, instead i got a membership for £20 and get £5 off per game, it only works out a little cheaper for a season ticket and thats if you dont miss a game all season. They should have had a bigger discount lasting all through the summer.
secondly its how they have sold out on the bread and butter fans instead of the so called family support, try getting rid of that band, they are more embarrasing than the attendances.
that munich excuse is lost on me because i was out there and everyone i spoke to has stopped going the reebok not due to on the field but all the other stuff that lets the reebok down.
secondly its how they have sold out on the bread and butter fans instead of the so called family support, try getting rid of that band, they are more embarrasing than the attendances.
that munich excuse is lost on me because i was out there and everyone i spoke to has stopped going the reebok not due to on the field but all the other stuff that lets the reebok down.
Chris Manning, TW says...
11:20am Wed 14 Nov 07
Bring back terracing.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
11:22am Wed 14 Nov 07
We can slash prices - as we did for the first European game (against Rabotnicki) when we only charged £5 - but even that didn't fill the stadium
its not just the ticket prices you complete stiffs!!!!! IT IS THE WAY THE FANS ARE TREATED BY THE CLUB!!! GARTSIDE IS ENEMY NO.1 AND IS 100% TO BLAME AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED... ITS NOT EVEN JUST THE LACK OF AMBITION AND MONEY ITS THE FACT THAT HE LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH CONSTANTLY TO THE FANS, HE'S FULL OF EMPTY PROMISES AND TALKS TO US AND ABOUT US LIKE WE DONT MATTER AND DONT EVEN EXIST IN HIS EYES~~!!! SACK HIM NOW BEFORE SUPPORT DISAPPEARS COMPLETELY !!!
VERY SHORT SITED BY THE CLUB IF THEY THINK THE BLAME LIES ELSEWHERE!!!!!!
Chris Manning, TW says...
11:23am Wed 14 Nov 07
and the inappropriate cheerleaders
Jordan, Manchester says...
11:27am Wed 14 Nov 07
There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.
Completely agree... i feel like the fun has been taken out of the game because of commercialism and arrogance.
The fans have been treated awfully by the club over the last 6 or so years. People might say 'well they have offered reduced tickets' etc etc, but lets face it, they've only done that because the ground isnt selling out.
If the stadium was full every week, they wouldnt be offering us anything.
in the 97/98 season we struggled the whole season, but we still had a crowd of 25k every week. But at that time, the demographics of the support was changing. Many of the fans that followed the whites at burnden, home and away, no longer go. In the first instance because of the price, in the second instance because we used to stand in the terraces and enjoy banter - but are no longer allowed to, and thirdly because Bolton Wanderers was a FOOTBALL CLUB. Now it is being treated as a business and we are the customers instead of fans.
This is our club? You're having a laugh...
Joe, Bolton says...
11:28am Wed 14 Nov 07
How to increase attendances:-
1. Introduce standing areas to create an atmosphere.
2. Improve facilities so that fans can relax before and after the match in warmth and comfort with fairly priced refreshments. This will stop everyone arriving and leaving at the same time and stopping the gridlock.
3. Reduce ticket prices. A 10% reduction is not enough. Price should be £10-£15
The reason's above are why me and a dozen of my mates stopped going. Sort it out and we will return. simple as that.
1. Introduce standing areas to create an atmosphere.
2. Improve facilities so that fans can relax before and after the match in warmth and comfort with fairly priced refreshments. This will stop everyone arriving and leaving at the same time and stopping the gridlock.
3. Reduce ticket prices. A 10% reduction is not enough. Price should be £10-£15
The reason's above are why me and a dozen of my mates stopped going. Sort it out and we will return. simple as that.
Chris Manning, TW says...
11:32am Wed 14 Nov 07
Completely agree... i feel like the fun has been taken out of the game because of commercialism and arrogance.
has anyone ever had dealings with the head steward? a more arrogant and self-important person you would struggle to find.
people like him are ruining the whole point of football - shouting at fans like children "stand up, sit down, stop smoking, stop swearing, stop pointing".
the match day experience is nothing like it was even 5/10yrs ago. it isn't much fun anymore.
Andy W, says...
11:44am Wed 14 Nov 07
Whingeing morons, The club is really well run and you lot can't see it.
You need to get behind the team not go on like a bunch of moaning idiots.
Honestly, we have the worst fans in the world.
We did well under Big Sam and the attendances started to drop off. Bolton doesn't deserve a football team. It's pathetic the way some of you go on.
You need to get behind the team not go on like a bunch of moaning idiots.
Honestly, we have the worst fans in the world.
We did well under Big Sam and the attendances started to drop off. Bolton doesn't deserve a football team. It's pathetic the way some of you go on.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
11:47am Wed 14 Nov 07
Andy W wrote:WAKE UP MATE....... IF YOU DO NOT REALISE BY NOW ITS BEING RUN DOWN BY PG AND CO THEN YOU REALLY ARE A PRATT !!!
Whingeing morons, The club is really well run and you lot can't see it. You need to get behind the team not go on like a bunch of moaning idiots. Honestly, we have the worst fans in the world. We did well under Big Sam and the attendances started to drop off. Bolton doesn't deserve a football team. It's pathetic the way some of you go on.
birch, chorley says...
11:50am Wed 14 Nov 07
Andy W wrote:shut your mouth!
Whingeing morons, The club is really well run and you lot can't see it. You need to get behind the team not go on like a bunch of moaning idiots. Honestly, we have the worst fans in the world. We did well under Big Sam and the attendances started to drop off. Bolton doesn't deserve a football team. It's pathetic the way some of you go on.
how many times have you been thrown out by an over aggressive steward 5 mins after you have just paid £36 for a ticket?
how many times have they moved a whole orchestra next to where you sit thinking it will make atmosphere better when it acctually makes it worse?
How many times has the club sold your season ticket seat from undernath you because they got greedy and decided to move the renewal deadline forward a month?
you my friend are an idiot, and if you got to all the away games as we do then you would see how clubs are run properly.
Batman, TW says...
11:52am Wed 14 Nov 07
Andy W wrote:No thanks Adolf. We pay our money and if we think something is worth noting then we will!
Whingeing morons, The club is really well run and you lot can't see it. You need to get behind the team not go on like a bunch of moaning idiots. Honestly, we have the worst fans in the world. We did well under Big Sam and the attendances started to drop off. Bolton doesn't deserve a football team. It's pathetic the way some of you go on.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
11:57am Wed 14 Nov 07
SOMETHING SERIOUS IS GOING ON AT OUR CLUB AT THE MOMENT... EVERYBODY KNOWS IT, NOBODY KNOWS WHAT - APART FROM THE POWERS THAT BE.. WHY CANT PG COME OUT IN PUBLIC, GROW SOME 8011OCK5 AND TELL THE FANS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE WHOLE STATE OF PLAY AT THE REEBOK... THIS BEATS INSULTING OUR INTELLIGENCE... SO COME ON GARTSIDE - SPEAK UP OF PACK YA BAGS, DO THE DECENT THING AND F%%k OFF !!!
jimmy, halliwell says...
12:08pm Wed 14 Nov 07
this is from another post yesterday but is bang on
wrothy wrote:
half the problem with the crowds at home are they dont represent good value for money,and thats not including the team on the pitch,the reason that burnden was so electric on match day was cos half the crowd had been on a pub crawl before the game fact! bumping into old mates and having a laugh so everyone in good spirits,were r the pubs at the reebok? beehive eatery,barnstormers, horwich park inn were your thrown out for a slip of the tongue,why dont they set up beer tents or something around the stadium,or in the stadium charging realistic prices £1.80 a pint not £2.80 for watered down fosters £2.30 for a greenhalges pie when their selling them in the shops for a quid?? £2.50 for an hotdog get real!!! before anyone goes onabout policing and hooligans their is always a good police presence at home games let them earn their money and football violence is a thing of the past in england with all the banning orders and prison terms being dished out,you could set up beer tents at each end of ground were everyone could meet have a few beers sing a few songs and get ready for the match this would produce a fantastic atmosphere inside the ground not rocket science is it. plus you would bring in extra revenue through putting it out to tender,it would be like a little village like they have in manchester from time to time with the bavarian markets basic beer and food at nice prices maybe even a bit of music and some bloody heaters!!!!
nail on the head!!!!!
y not have a section of the ground for over 18 put more or good bar staf on there and turn a blind eye to the odd miss used four letter word
the pc mob have recked the match day experiance this is why the pubs showing all the games are doing so well
i dont stay way for anyother reason than i cant have a few beers have a banter. i can however in the pub.
wrothy wrote:
half the problem with the crowds at home are they dont represent good value for money,and thats not including the team on the pitch,the reason that burnden was so electric on match day was cos half the crowd had been on a pub crawl before the game fact! bumping into old mates and having a laugh so everyone in good spirits,were r the pubs at the reebok? beehive eatery,barnstormers, horwich park inn were your thrown out for a slip of the tongue,why dont they set up beer tents or something around the stadium,or in the stadium charging realistic prices £1.80 a pint not £2.80 for watered down fosters £2.30 for a greenhalges pie when their selling them in the shops for a quid?? £2.50 for an hotdog get real!!! before anyone goes onabout policing and hooligans their is always a good police presence at home games let them earn their money and football violence is a thing of the past in england with all the banning orders and prison terms being dished out,you could set up beer tents at each end of ground were everyone could meet have a few beers sing a few songs and get ready for the match this would produce a fantastic atmosphere inside the ground not rocket science is it. plus you would bring in extra revenue through putting it out to tender,it would be like a little village like they have in manchester from time to time with the bavarian markets basic beer and food at nice prices maybe even a bit of music and some bloody heaters!!!!
nail on the head!!!!!
y not have a section of the ground for over 18 put more or good bar staf on there and turn a blind eye to the odd miss used four letter word
the pc mob have recked the match day experiance this is why the pubs showing all the games are doing so well
i dont stay way for anyother reason than i cant have a few beers have a banter. i can however in the pub.
jay, bolton says...
12:09pm Wed 14 Nov 07
the attendances have dropped even more simply because Gartside is a fkwit and appointed the cheapest possible option for manager, im still baffled how you interview some1 for a job see that they have won 7 in 40odd prem games then decide he must be good enough to manage us! Instead of turning up week in week out with Gartside out banners and protesting at the tw4t ruining our club, alot of just decided to save their time and money! Cant really blame them really, im only going in future when i get hold of a free ticket and theres enough of them about because even season ticket holders are not bothering! There would be more fans turning up if Gartside showed some ambition when appointing a manager, simple as!
Unique, Bolton says...
12:13pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Barclays Premier League Table - November 12 2007 Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts Last 6
Previous years: 2006/2007 2005/2006 2004/2005 2003/2004 Click column headers to reorder columns.
Uefa Champions League: 1st, 2nd
Uefa Champions League pre Qualifying: 3rd, 4th
Relegation: 18th, 19th, 20th
1 Arsenal 12 9 3 0 27 10 17 30 14
2 Manchester United 13 9 3 1 23 6 17 30 16
3 Manchester City 13 8 2 3 16 13 3 26 13
4 Chelsea 13 7 4 2 19 9 10 25 14
5 Liverpool 12 6 6 0 19 6 13 24 12
6 Portsmouth 13 6 5 2 23 13 10 23 14
7 Blackburn Rovers 12 6 4 2 15 11 4 22 13
8 Aston Villa 12 6 3 3 18 14 4 21 11
9 Everton 13 6 2 5 19 15 4 20 10
10 West Ham United 12 5 3 4 18 10 8 18 8
11 Newcastle United 12 5 3 4 19 18 1 18 7
12 Reading 13 4 1 8 16 29 -13 13 6
13 Fulham 13 2 6 5 16 20 -4 12 6
14 Tottenham Hotspur 13 2 5 6 23 24 -1 11 6
15 Birmingham City 13 3 2 8 13 20 -7 11 3
16 Sunderland 13 2 4 7 13 22 -9 10 2
17 Middlesbrough 13 2 4 7 12 23 -11 10 2
18 Bolton Wanderers 13 1 5 7 11 18 -7 8 4
19 Wigan Athletic 13 2 2 9 10 23 -13 8 0
20 Derby County 13 1 3 9 5 31 -26 6 2
Could this have something to do with it?
2 uninspiring managers in 6 months, less than a goal a game and £20 an hr to watch it.
Off the pitch, a self centered money grabbing tugger for a chairman. A stadium thats a nightmare to get to and from. Catering that is over priced, poor quality and after a 20 min wait is served by stupidest pple on the planet.
The only reason anyone goes to the reebok at the moment is loyalty to the Wanderers!
Previous years: 2006/2007 2005/2006 2004/2005 2003/2004 Click column headers to reorder columns.
Uefa Champions League: 1st, 2nd
Uefa Champions League pre Qualifying: 3rd, 4th
Relegation: 18th, 19th, 20th
1 Arsenal 12 9 3 0 27 10 17 30 14
2 Manchester United 13 9 3 1 23 6 17 30 16
3 Manchester City 13 8 2 3 16 13 3 26 13
4 Chelsea 13 7 4 2 19 9 10 25 14
5 Liverpool 12 6 6 0 19 6 13 24 12
6 Portsmouth 13 6 5 2 23 13 10 23 14
7 Blackburn Rovers 12 6 4 2 15 11 4 22 13
8 Aston Villa 12 6 3 3 18 14 4 21 11
9 Everton 13 6 2 5 19 15 4 20 10
10 West Ham United 12 5 3 4 18 10 8 18 8
11 Newcastle United 12 5 3 4 19 18 1 18 7
12 Reading 13 4 1 8 16 29 -13 13 6
13 Fulham 13 2 6 5 16 20 -4 12 6
14 Tottenham Hotspur 13 2 5 6 23 24 -1 11 6
15 Birmingham City 13 3 2 8 13 20 -7 11 3
16 Sunderland 13 2 4 7 13 22 -9 10 2
17 Middlesbrough 13 2 4 7 12 23 -11 10 2
18 Bolton Wanderers 13 1 5 7 11 18 -7 8 4
19 Wigan Athletic 13 2 2 9 10 23 -13 8 0
20 Derby County 13 1 3 9 5 31 -26 6 2
Could this have something to do with it?
2 uninspiring managers in 6 months, less than a goal a game and £20 an hr to watch it.
Off the pitch, a self centered money grabbing tugger for a chairman. A stadium thats a nightmare to get to and from. Catering that is over priced, poor quality and after a 20 min wait is served by stupidest pple on the planet.
The only reason anyone goes to the reebok at the moment is loyalty to the Wanderers!
Chris Manning, TW says...
12:14pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I blame Hunt and Nolan as well.
Jon, Bolton says...
12:18pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jordan wrote:Its ironic that in one breath fans will call for us "spending big" and trying to join the big boys, yet in the other, moan that our club is run as a professional business.
There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.Completely agree... i feel like the fun has been taken out of the game because of commercialism and arrogance. The fans have been treated awfully by the club over the last 6 or so years. People might say 'well they have offered reduced tickets' etc etc, but lets face it, they've only done that because the ground isnt selling out. If the stadium was full every week, they wouldnt be offering us anything. in the 97/98 season we struggled the whole season, but we still had a crowd of 25k every week. But at that time, the demographics of the support was changing. Many of the fans that followed the whites at burnden, home and away, no longer go. In the first instance because of the price, in the second instance because we used to stand in the terraces and enjoy banter - but are no longer allowed to, and thirdly because Bolton Wanderers was a FOOTBALL CLUB. Now it is being treated as a business and we are the customers instead of fans. This is our club? You're having a laugh...
Big clubs charge big prices. Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, go see what they charge for their season tickets!
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
12:21pm Wed 14 Nov 07
two people to blame for our down fall......
ALLARDYCE AND GARTSIDE.
LIKE IT OR NOT, THEY HAVE BOTH CONTRIBUTED MASSIVELY !!!
ALLARDYCE AND GARTSIDE.
LIKE IT OR NOT, THEY HAVE BOTH CONTRIBUTED MASSIVELY !!!
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
12:23pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Terracing is NOT allowed in either the Premiership or the Championship at this moment in time - so that is a no-goer.
What will help are wins by the team - but only a small fraction will return.
Another big help will the the complete reducing of prices - not just ticket pricing but th eprices of food and drink - and also a greater selection. Why can't the normal fans have a choice of lagers, bitters and snacks like they do in the boxes and suites?
Wholly reducing prices will, and does in practice, bring in greater returns than at present due to people buying more. Cheaper it is the more people will buy.
Finally - Gartside, Duckworth (a failed business family - remember even Prestons of Bolton is now owned by an out-of Bolton company due to the Duckworths putting it into adiministration) and Warburton. They have let the club down far too many times over the last 30 or so years!!! Make Reebok actually have some financial clout within the club instead of just being quiet sponsors - they should have some say in how the club is managed and run as they do put millions into the club for what?????
What will help are wins by the team - but only a small fraction will return.
Another big help will the the complete reducing of prices - not just ticket pricing but th eprices of food and drink - and also a greater selection. Why can't the normal fans have a choice of lagers, bitters and snacks like they do in the boxes and suites?
Wholly reducing prices will, and does in practice, bring in greater returns than at present due to people buying more. Cheaper it is the more people will buy.
Finally - Gartside, Duckworth (a failed business family - remember even Prestons of Bolton is now owned by an out-of Bolton company due to the Duckworths putting it into adiministration) and Warburton. They have let the club down far too many times over the last 30 or so years!!! Make Reebok actually have some financial clout within the club instead of just being quiet sponsors - they should have some say in how the club is managed and run as they do put millions into the club for what?????
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
12:24pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon, Bolton ... HERE YOU GO AGAIN... DO YOU ACTUALLY READ ANY OTHER POSTS ON HERE?? THE PRICE OF A SEASON TICKET HAS NO RELEVANCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WIDER PICTURE!!!! IT IS THE WAY WE ARE TREATED, RIPPED OFF, LIED TO, FORCED TO WATCH CRAP AND SO ON.....
Den, Leigh says...
12:28pm Wed 14 Nov 07
In my view its a number of factors affecting different generations of fans/supporters: -
1. Way club views & treats its fans.
2. Lack of Ambition from the board, i.e. Expenditure & Managerial appointments
3. Quality of Football, lack of passion from players and lack of commitment
4. Poor Matchday experience, way too many nanny's/jobsworth in florescent jackets
5. Poeple feel ripped off
1. Way club views & treats its fans.
2. Lack of Ambition from the board, i.e. Expenditure & Managerial appointments
3. Quality of Football, lack of passion from players and lack of commitment
4. Poor Matchday experience, way too many nanny's/jobsworth in florescent jackets
5. Poeple feel ripped off
chris wood, Chorley says...
12:30pm Wed 14 Nov 07
The club depend on droids like AndyW who obviously have a mixed up concept of ' support 'and are there to have there wallets emptied by the in-effective board.
I will alawys be a bolton fan, when i paid a small entry fee at Burnden I found that relative to the 'sparce ' conditions and facilities. However in this new age of business where we are ' customers ' I except a reasonable service for my entrance fee, the catering at Reebok as been dismal in both service and pricing since the Reebok opened this exacerbates the real problem of the sterile non atmospheric surroundings of the Reebok policed by unpersonable cheap labour over the top stewards ( Except for when real trouble flares up and they go missing !)Its time the club ceased the concept that it is our duty to turn up and for them to get their act together. Totally agree with Yourigod.
I will alawys be a bolton fan, when i paid a small entry fee at Burnden I found that relative to the 'sparce ' conditions and facilities. However in this new age of business where we are ' customers ' I except a reasonable service for my entrance fee, the catering at Reebok as been dismal in both service and pricing since the Reebok opened this exacerbates the real problem of the sterile non atmospheric surroundings of the Reebok policed by unpersonable cheap labour over the top stewards ( Except for when real trouble flares up and they go missing !)Its time the club ceased the concept that it is our duty to turn up and for them to get their act together. Totally agree with Yourigod.
WHICKO, bolton says...
12:31pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Don't worry it's only United up next, still at least there should be a bulging crowd as well as a bulging net!
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
12:32pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Allardyce took Bolton to dizzy heights but it is the fall-out with Gartside (and not just Sam Allardyce but his whole family) that led to Big Sam walking out - far too many false promises from Phil'n'Eddie. Sam knew what he was doing when he went - na dhad to show the club how he really felt - sure its hurt the team and the fans but he biggest aim, i feel, was to destroy Gartside. Big Sam has now gone and that mantle should now be picked up by us fans. Destroy Gartside and the rest of the board.
Look at what they have done over the years....
The only success was Big Sam. Even the Reebok is a let down - why couldn't they call it New Burnden Park, sponsored by Reebok!!!! The new club badge is a sham - either bring back the original court of arms or just bring back the red rose at least.
Far too many false promises and too much in-house fighting has led to where we are.
Gartside, Davies, Warburton and Duckworth HAVE to go if this club is to stay in the Premiership and succeed as a top club!
Look at what they have done over the years....
The only success was Big Sam. Even the Reebok is a let down - why couldn't they call it New Burnden Park, sponsored by Reebok!!!! The new club badge is a sham - either bring back the original court of arms or just bring back the red rose at least.
Far too many false promises and too much in-house fighting has led to where we are.
Gartside, Davies, Warburton and Duckworth HAVE to go if this club is to stay in the Premiership and succeed as a top club!
birch, chorley says...
12:34pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:because they have massive support and could fill there grounds twice over, thats why they all have or are building grounds twice the size of ours!!!
Jordan wrote:Its ironic that in one breath fans will call for us "spending big" and trying to join the big boys, yet in the other, moan that our club is run as a professional business. Big clubs charge big prices. Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, go see what they charge for their season tickets!There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.Completely agree... i feel like the fun has been taken out of the game because of commercialism and arrogance. The fans have been treated awfully by the club over the last 6 or so years. People might say 'well they have offered reduced tickets' etc etc, but lets face it, they've only done that because the ground isnt selling out. If the stadium was full every week, they wouldnt be offering us anything. in the 97/98 season we struggled the whole season, but we still had a crowd of 25k every week. But at that time, the demographics of the support was changing. Many of the fans that followed the whites at burnden, home and away, no longer go. In the first instance because of the price, in the second instance because we used to stand in the terraces and enjoy banter - but are no longer allowed to, and thirdly because Bolton Wanderers was a FOOTBALL CLUB. Now it is being treated as a business and we are the customers instead of fans. This is our club? You're having a laugh...
try comparing us to the 2 most similar teams in terms of size etc, wigan and blackburn, £250 a season ticket all summer long, that is because they have a board who realise the direction the game is going for the smaller clubs.
God_Man, Westhoughton says...
12:40pm Wed 14 Nov 07
After the lil' Sam debacle! You would of thought Phil Darkside would of given the job of appointing his replacement to another, but NO! Ooops he does it again! The most uninspiring appointment you could imagine!
A Championship standard manager joins half a dozen Championship players brought in this summer.
Now Gareth "Clouseau" Moores is on the case I have no doubt he will blame cold Rollover hot dogs for the fall in attendances!
A Championship standard manager joins half a dozen Championship players brought in this summer.
Now Gareth "Clouseau" Moores is on the case I have no doubt he will blame cold Rollover hot dogs for the fall in attendances!
YouriLeGod, Bolton says...
12:43pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Another reason why the whole 'match day experience' is not what it used to be.
15 years ago
Saturday - Get up, go to game at 3pm in the afternoon
2007
Saturday - Get up, find a paper to see if we are playing that day and if so what time we kick off. If not playing Saturday find what time on Sunday we might be kicking off.
Oh yes, don't forget there is the other option on a Monday night as well.
As much as I detest the lot we play next week I take my hat off to them for backing the police in turning down Setanta's request to move the game from just before christmas to 8pm Christmas Eve.
That is another thing that is killing not only Bolton but other clubs as well.
Maybe a spell in the championship wouldn't be that bad in that respect.
15 years ago
Saturday - Get up, go to game at 3pm in the afternoon
2007
Saturday - Get up, find a paper to see if we are playing that day and if so what time we kick off. If not playing Saturday find what time on Sunday we might be kicking off.
Oh yes, don't forget there is the other option on a Monday night as well.
As much as I detest the lot we play next week I take my hat off to them for backing the police in turning down Setanta's request to move the game from just before christmas to 8pm Christmas Eve.
That is another thing that is killing not only Bolton but other clubs as well.
Maybe a spell in the championship wouldn't be that bad in that respect.
Jordan, Manchester says...
12:52pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:where did i say that Jon you moron?
Jordan wrote:Its ironic that in one breath fans will call for us "spending big" and trying to join the big boys, yet in the other, moan that our club is run as a professional business. Big clubs charge big prices. Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, go see what they charge for their season tickets!There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.Completely agree... i feel like the fun has been taken out of the game because of commercialism and arrogance. The fans have been treated awfully by the club over the last 6 or so years. People might say 'well they have offered reduced tickets' etc etc, but lets face it, they've only done that because the ground isnt selling out. If the stadium was full every week, they wouldnt be offering us anything. in the 97/98 season we struggled the whole season, but we still had a crowd of 25k every week. But at that time, the demographics of the support was changing. Many of the fans that followed the whites at burnden, home and away, no longer go. In the first instance because of the price, in the second instance because we used to stand in the terraces and enjoy banter - but are no longer allowed to, and thirdly because Bolton Wanderers was a FOOTBALL CLUB. Now it is being treated as a business and we are the customers instead of fans. This is our club? You're having a laugh...
Aidan, sheffield says...
12:57pm Wed 14 Nov 07
The reason for the low attendences could be that the genuine fans get sick of listening to these idiot who just want to go to games and wiat for Hunt and Nolan to mess up so they can shout rubbish.
Also all Carling cup and non-glamourous UEFA matches should be £5 each. To be honest a ticket should be no more the £15 at the best of times. By being greedy it will only every come back on the club, attendences will be down, team under-performs, home record is much poorer, Bolton have lower league finish. Its non nuclear physics.
Also all Carling cup and non-glamourous UEFA matches should be £5 each. To be honest a ticket should be no more the £15 at the best of times. By being greedy it will only every come back on the club, attendences will be down, team under-performs, home record is much poorer, Bolton have lower league finish. Its non nuclear physics.
jay, bolton says...
12:58pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Son of Bolton Reader wrote:we know terracing is NOT allowed mate but they are looking at changing the rules and allowing a terraced area at grounds. This would bring a little of the match day experiance back, ie- when a jobsworth moans at you for swearing you can slap him and dissapear into the crowd lol fking hate them idiot stewards its like trying to watch a match on double yellow lines with a traffic warden watching, wank4rs!
Terracing is NOT allowed in either the Premiership or the Championship at this moment in time - so that is a no-goer. What will help are wins by the team - but only a small fraction will return. Another big help will the the complete reducing of prices - not just ticket pricing but th eprices of food and drink - and also a greater selection. Why can't the normal fans have a choice of lagers, bitters and snacks like they do in the boxes and suites? Wholly reducing prices will, and does in practice, bring in greater returns than at present due to people buying more. Cheaper it is the more people will buy. Finally - Gartside, Duckworth (a failed business family - remember even Prestons of Bolton is now owned by an out-of Bolton company due to the Duckworths putting it into adiministration) and Warburton. They have let the club down far too many times over the last 30 or so years!!! Make Reebok actually have some financial clout within the club instead of just being quiet sponsors - they should have some say in how the club is managed and run as they do put millions into the club for what?????
Jon, Bolton says...
12:59pm Wed 14 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:Give some examples then.
Jon, Bolton ... HERE YOU GO AGAIN... DO YOU ACTUALLY READ ANY OTHER POSTS ON HERE?? THE PRICE OF A SEASON TICKET HAS NO RELEVANCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WIDER PICTURE!!!! IT IS THE WAY WE ARE TREATED, RIPPED OFF, LIED TO, FORCED TO WATCH CRAP AND SO ON.....
How are we treated badly as fans? Specifically to Bolton, I need examples.
How are we ripped off? Again some examples.
When have we been lied to?
Jordan, Manchester says...
1:01pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Son of Bolton Reader wrote:At Munich last week, i saw a big difference between the way that they treat their fans and the way that our fans are treated at the Reebok.
Terracing is NOT allowed in either the Premiership or the Championship at this moment in time - so that is a no-goer. What will help are wins by the team - but only a small fraction will return. Another big help will the the complete reducing of prices - not just ticket pricing but th eprices of food and drink - and also a greater selection. Why can't the normal fans have a choice of lagers, bitters and snacks like they do in the boxes and suites? Wholly reducing prices will, and does in practice, bring in greater returns than at present due to people buying more. Cheaper it is the more people will buy. Finally - Gartside, Duckworth (a failed business family - remember even Prestons of Bolton is now owned by an out-of Bolton company due to the Duckworths putting it into adiministration) and Warburton. They have let the club down far too many times over the last 30 or so years!!! Make Reebok actually have some financial clout within the club instead of just being quiet sponsors - they should have some say in how the club is managed and run as they do put millions into the club for what?????
Last year, they opened the stadium as an all seater and when the fans of the club complained because they wanted to stand up, they created a standing area for 6,000 home fans at domestic matches.
Their kiosks were also enormous compared to the littles ones we have to put up with, and also the attendants behind the kiosks knew what they were doing.
I also liked the idea of using your ticket to get into the stadium grounds, and then being able to wander around the stadium without being treated like a child.
Too many people at BWFC have created a sense of self importance - the stewards in particular - and treat every fan as guilty until proven innocent, rather than the other way round.
Den, Leigh says...
1:02pm Wed 14 Nov 07
2007
Saturday - Get up, find a paper to see if we are playing that day and if so what time we kick off. If not playing Saturday find what time on Sunday we might be kicking off.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT Youri....
How annoying can this be? We do have a life...some of work away a few days a week, value our weekends, and cannot make monday or wed/thu night?
Also the way many clubs (us included) bow down to the TV people is embarrasing? Why not ask the fans if they want to reschedule a game to a sunday? Where does this extra money go?
Saturday - Get up, find a paper to see if we are playing that day and if so what time we kick off. If not playing Saturday find what time on Sunday we might be kicking off.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT Youri....
How annoying can this be? We do have a life...some of work away a few days a week, value our weekends, and cannot make monday or wed/thu night?
Also the way many clubs (us included) bow down to the TV people is embarrasing? Why not ask the fans if they want to reschedule a game to a sunday? Where does this extra money go?
Jon, Bolton says...
1:10pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jordan wrote:The kiosks I grant you at BWFC are dreadful. However, its not a Bolton thing, thats something that happens at EVERY football stadium in this country.
Son of Bolton Reader wrote: Terracing is NOT allowed in either the Premiership or the Championship at this moment in time - so that is a no-goer. What will help are wins by the team - but only a small fraction will return. Another big help will the the complete reducing of prices - not just ticket pricing but th eprices of food and drink - and also a greater selection. Why can't the normal fans have a choice of lagers, bitters and snacks like they do in the boxes and suites? Wholly reducing prices will, and does in practice, bring in greater returns than at present due to people buying more. Cheaper it is the more people will buy. Finally - Gartside, Duckworth (a failed business family - remember even Prestons of Bolton is now owned by an out-of Bolton company due to the Duckworths putting it into adiministration) and Warburton. They have let the club down far too many times over the last 30 or so years!!! Make Reebok actually have some financial clout within the club instead of just being quiet sponsors - they should have some say in how the club is managed and run as they do put millions into the club for what?????At Munich last week, i saw a big difference between the way that they treat their fans and the way that our fans are treated at the Reebok. Last year, they opened the stadium as an all seater and when the fans of the club complained because they wanted to stand up, they created a standing area for 6,000 home fans at domestic matches. Their kiosks were also enormous compared to the littles ones we have to put up with, and also the attendants behind the kiosks knew what they were doing. I also liked the idea of using your ticket to get into the stadium grounds, and then being able to wander around the stadium without being treated like a child. Too many people at BWFC have created a sense of self importance - the stewards in particular - and treat every fan as guilty until proven innocent, rather than the other way round.
As for terracing, the LAW in the UK prevents the club for having terracing, so the clubs hands are tied!
YouriLeGod, Bolton says...
1:11pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:Greenhalgh's Pies £1.95? Probably more than double they are in the shop.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote: Jon, Bolton ... HERE YOU GO AGAIN... DO YOU ACTUALLY READ ANY OTHER POSTS ON HERE?? THE PRICE OF A SEASON TICKET HAS NO RELEVANCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WIDER PICTURE!!!! IT IS THE WAY WE ARE TREATED, RIPPED OFF, LIED TO, FORCED TO WATCH CRAP AND SO ON.....Give some examples then. How are we treated badly as fans? Specifically to Bolton, I need examples. How are we ripped off? Again some examples. When have we been lied to?
Bottle of water £1.20. Bottle in Tesco 100 yards away 39p
Shirts in club shop £39.99. Shirts in Sports Direct or whatever its called these days £32.00?
Entertainment value at present - zip (and yes I know you take the rough with the smooth)
Ticket Prices in all football too expensive compared to most other forms of entertainment.
ding dong, deane says...
1:13pm Wed 14 Nov 07
One reason and one reason only for the fall in attendances: cost. Phil can put out as many schemes and special offers and incentives as he likes, the fact is the overall package from ticket prices to car park costs to replica shirt prices is just too expensive. A vast amount of money is flowing into the club as a result of the new TV deal and what do the fans get? 10% off season ticket prices. Its an insult. Greedy players and even greedier agents are taking all the money and what do we get in return? 18th in the Premier League. Why should someone on average or below average earnings spend a significant portion of his income on watching players earning £10,000/£20,000/£30,
000 + per week - PER WEEK!!! - and delivering the kind of performances we have seen lately.
Get a grip Phil. Think long term for once. You've got to build up the fan base, and that means charging a reasonable amount for ticket prices - with all the money in the game it should be a maximum of £10 per match. Attendances won't increase overnight even at that price, cause the fans have been shafted for years and are fed up with it, but long term it will work because football will be affordable again. The town wants to support the football club but simply cannot afford to do so. Drastic action is required and is required now, cause the fans live in the real world of £1 per litre petrol, rising mortgages and utility bills and not the money-no-object world of the players they support. Get a grip and realise that without the fans you have NOTHING!
000 + per week - PER WEEK!!! - and delivering the kind of performances we have seen lately.
Get a grip Phil. Think long term for once. You've got to build up the fan base, and that means charging a reasonable amount for ticket prices - with all the money in the game it should be a maximum of £10 per match. Attendances won't increase overnight even at that price, cause the fans have been shafted for years and are fed up with it, but long term it will work because football will be affordable again. The town wants to support the football club but simply cannot afford to do so. Drastic action is required and is required now, cause the fans live in the real world of £1 per litre petrol, rising mortgages and utility bills and not the money-no-object world of the players they support. Get a grip and realise that without the fans you have NOTHING!
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
1:13pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:STEWARDS, PARKING PRICES, FOOD PRICES, MONEY AVAILABLE THEN TURNS OUT THERES NOT, KEEPING OUR BACKROOM STAFF AND THEN THEY ALL JOIN ALLARDYCE.. AND COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON..
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote: Jon, Bolton ... HERE YOU GO AGAIN... DO YOU ACTUALLY READ ANY OTHER POSTS ON HERE?? THE PRICE OF A SEASON TICKET HAS NO RELEVANCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WIDER PICTURE!!!! IT IS THE WAY WE ARE TREATED, RIPPED OFF, LIED TO, FORCED TO WATCH CRAP AND SO ON.....Give some examples then. How are we treated badly as fans? Specifically to Bolton, I need examples. How are we ripped off? Again some examples. When have we been lied to?
ARE U PG'S BOTTY CHUM??
bwfcfan, Chorley says...
1:14pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Going to a match on SATURDAY at 3pm used to be about having a few hours laugh with your mates and letting all your built-up frustration from being a working drone all week out at the ref and opposing team.
But over the last 15 years it's not been about trying to keep these hard core fans from Burnden it's been about promoting families and making everything nice and happy and inviting.
So the sales pitch is now to familites. But the average family in Bolton can't afford to bring everyone so they have to watch on tv instead.
Whilst doing this, the club have alienated all the hardcore support that don't want dancers, 'I feel good' flags (when we don't), silly drummers and grab-happy stewards.
Football used to be about turning up and creating an atmosphere to scare the $hit out of the opposing players, now it's watered down and boring like the fizzy drinks on sale.
I'm still a season ticket holder but it seems people WILL rather go to the pub with their mates where they CAN have a laugh and CAN swear at the telly. OR they get people around and watch it on the TV. Which is the one single thing which is really killing our club.
Football clubs wants their cake and eat it. They want Football to be the reason why Sky keep selling boxes and then in turn paying large amounts of money fot TV rights but are then flabbergasted when people would rather get the same entertainment by sitting on their backsides in their own home.
We don't have masses of extra fans that are dying to get into the ground and all small clubs are starting to feel the effect and that's what we actually are, a small club.
The performances are shocking at home although not the main reason for the stay aways I think. We want to see a team TRY and beat the opponent. We are the HOME team. OK, against the top 4, yes we have to defend properly but that Boro match was absolutely unbelievable. Our team from 10 years ago with Super John up front would have won 2-0.
Anyways, rant over, because my lunchtime is. I could go on and on about all the problems at our club and I can't believe that not one of them inside the plushly decorated offices can see it.
But over the last 15 years it's not been about trying to keep these hard core fans from Burnden it's been about promoting families and making everything nice and happy and inviting.
So the sales pitch is now to familites. But the average family in Bolton can't afford to bring everyone so they have to watch on tv instead.
Whilst doing this, the club have alienated all the hardcore support that don't want dancers, 'I feel good' flags (when we don't), silly drummers and grab-happy stewards.
Football used to be about turning up and creating an atmosphere to scare the $hit out of the opposing players, now it's watered down and boring like the fizzy drinks on sale.
I'm still a season ticket holder but it seems people WILL rather go to the pub with their mates where they CAN have a laugh and CAN swear at the telly. OR they get people around and watch it on the TV. Which is the one single thing which is really killing our club.
Football clubs wants their cake and eat it. They want Football to be the reason why Sky keep selling boxes and then in turn paying large amounts of money fot TV rights but are then flabbergasted when people would rather get the same entertainment by sitting on their backsides in their own home.
We don't have masses of extra fans that are dying to get into the ground and all small clubs are starting to feel the effect and that's what we actually are, a small club.
The performances are shocking at home although not the main reason for the stay aways I think. We want to see a team TRY and beat the opponent. We are the HOME team. OK, against the top 4, yes we have to defend properly but that Boro match was absolutely unbelievable. Our team from 10 years ago with Super John up front would have won 2-0.
Anyways, rant over, because my lunchtime is. I could go on and on about all the problems at our club and I can't believe that not one of them inside the plushly decorated offices can see it.
Jordan, Manchester says...
1:20pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:But if they wanted to appease our fans, they could petition parliament for the right to have a small standing section - possibly as a pilot scheme that the rest of the country could benefit from in the future.
Jordan wrote:The kiosks I grant you at BWFC are dreadful. However, its not a Bolton thing, thats something that happens at EVERY football stadium in this country. As for terracing, the LAW in the UK prevents the club for having terracing, so the clubs hands are tied!Son of Bolton Reader wrote: Terracing is NOT allowed in either the Premiership or the Championship at this moment in time - so that is a no-goer. What will help are wins by the team - but only a small fraction will return. Another big help will the the complete reducing of prices - not just ticket pricing but th eprices of food and drink - and also a greater selection. Why can't the normal fans have a choice of lagers, bitters and snacks like they do in the boxes and suites? Wholly reducing prices will, and does in practice, bring in greater returns than at present due to people buying more. Cheaper it is the more people will buy. Finally - Gartside, Duckworth (a failed business family - remember even Prestons of Bolton is now owned by an out-of Bolton company due to the Duckworths putting it into adiministration) and Warburton. They have let the club down far too many times over the last 30 or so years!!! Make Reebok actually have some financial clout within the club instead of just being quiet sponsors - they should have some say in how the club is managed and run as they do put millions into the club for what?????At Munich last week, i saw a big difference between the way that they treat their fans and the way that our fans are treated at the Reebok. Last year, they opened the stadium as an all seater and when the fans of the club complained because they wanted to stand up, they created a standing area for 6,000 home fans at domestic matches. Their kiosks were also enormous compared to the littles ones we have to put up with, and also the attendants behind the kiosks knew what they were doing. I also liked the idea of using your ticket to get into the stadium grounds, and then being able to wander around the stadium without being treated like a child. Too many people at BWFC have created a sense of self importance - the stewards in particular - and treat every fan as guilty until proven innocent, rather than the other way round.
supersaints, bolton says...
1:22pm Wed 14 Nov 07
heres another small point!
I went to buy a replica shirt and popped into sports soccer in town and they were available at £14.99 but they did not have the size required, so I went to the club shop and the same shirt was £39.99!!! when question staff member why sports soccer were cheaper the answer given was " reebok set the prices " come on the ground is named reebok, the team is sponsered by reebok! so im sure they could reduce the prices to match competitors or are bolton make an extra £25.00 profit me thinks so!!!!!
I went to buy a replica shirt and popped into sports soccer in town and they were available at £14.99 but they did not have the size required, so I went to the club shop and the same shirt was £39.99!!! when question staff member why sports soccer were cheaper the answer given was " reebok set the prices " come on the ground is named reebok, the team is sponsered by reebok! so im sure they could reduce the prices to match competitors or are bolton make an extra £25.00 profit me thinks so!!!!!
lord kangana, Bolton says...
1:22pm Wed 14 Nov 07
JORDAN:-
I couldn't agree more with you.
The way the fans were traeted in the Allianz Arena was breathtaking. The card thing for your food and drink was a great idea - that would be so easy to replicate at the Wanderers - and the service was both quick and friendly.
And just to answer some other peoples points about match day prices, I spoke to many friendly Bayern fans (I'm sure most of us who went did) and one in particular that I had a long discussion with told me that the price of a Bundesliga match in the lower tier for memebers was 8 (eight!!) Euros per game!!! Thats around a Fiver!!
Does anyone now understand why the German league, despite not being glamorous, is so well attended, and why we are so hacked off?
And I still say we should have an unreserved seating area until the time when terraces may return.
I couldn't agree more with you.
The way the fans were traeted in the Allianz Arena was breathtaking. The card thing for your food and drink was a great idea - that would be so easy to replicate at the Wanderers - and the service was both quick and friendly.
And just to answer some other peoples points about match day prices, I spoke to many friendly Bayern fans (I'm sure most of us who went did) and one in particular that I had a long discussion with told me that the price of a Bundesliga match in the lower tier for memebers was 8 (eight!!) Euros per game!!! Thats around a Fiver!!
Does anyone now understand why the German league, despite not being glamorous, is so well attended, and why we are so hacked off?
And I still say we should have an unreserved seating area until the time when terraces may return.
supersaints, bolton says...
1:23pm Wed 14 Nov 07
heres another small point!
I went to buy a replica shirt and popped into sports soccer in town and they were available at £14.99 but they did not have the size required, so I went to the club shop and the same shirt was £39.99!!! when question staff member why sports soccer were cheaper the answer given was " reebok set the prices " come on the ground is named reebok, the team is sponsered by reebok! so im sure they could reduce the prices to match competitors or are bolton make an extra £25.00 profit me thinks so!!!!!
I went to buy a replica shirt and popped into sports soccer in town and they were available at £14.99 but they did not have the size required, so I went to the club shop and the same shirt was £39.99!!! when question staff member why sports soccer were cheaper the answer given was " reebok set the prices " come on the ground is named reebok, the team is sponsered by reebok! so im sure they could reduce the prices to match competitors or are bolton make an extra £25.00 profit me thinks so!!!!!
Den, Leigh says...
1:28pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Not too sure its the standing issue that keeps most folks away, whilst to me a great idea. Peoples salaries arent going up like the price of so many mandatory expense items...and Football isn't cheap...If i take my 11yr kid, plus the parking, food etc tis close to 70-75quid...for what? the value proposition just isnt there anymore..
There will always be an hardcore lot whom will go no matter what...and i take my hat off to them to keep motivating themselves week in week out..
Last season i went to nearly all the away games and with 2 season tickets i spent over £2300 (tickets, petrol, parking, food etc)....
This is a lot of dough for most people.....
My own view with regard to the amount of money in the game ...is that at some point the bubble will burst.....
There will always be an hardcore lot whom will go no matter what...and i take my hat off to them to keep motivating themselves week in week out..
Last season i went to nearly all the away games and with 2 season tickets i spent over £2300 (tickets, petrol, parking, food etc)....
This is a lot of dough for most people.....
My own view with regard to the amount of money in the game ...is that at some point the bubble will burst.....
brian, bolton says...
1:28pm Wed 14 Nov 07
just got 2 meat and potatoe pies from hampsons for £1.10 for TWO. Bit different from the week old pies at the REEBOK
Jordan, Manchester says...
1:33pm Wed 14 Nov 07
lord kangana wrote:If we had a more realistic match day ticket price like that... you wouldnt be able to keep me away.
JORDAN:- I couldn't agree more with you. The way the fans were traeted in the Allianz Arena was breathtaking. The card thing for your food and drink was a great idea - that would be so easy to replicate at the Wanderers - and the service was both quick and friendly. And just to answer some other peoples points about match day prices, I spoke to many friendly Bayern fans (I'm sure most of us who went did) and one in particular that I had a long discussion with told me that the price of a Bundesliga match in the lower tier for memebers was 8 (eight!!) Euros per game!!! Thats around a Fiver!! Does anyone now understand why the German league, despite not being glamorous, is so well attended, and why we are so hacked off? And I still say we should have an unreserved seating area until the time when terraces may return.
Whereas at the moment we first have to figure out when we're playing, then look to see if its going to cost me up to 39 quid for a ticket or 20-something before working out if i can afford it.
Watch Tower, says...
1:36pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Den wrote:YOU GOT IT IN 1 OR SHOULD I SAY 5 - YOU ARE DEAD RIGHT DEN
In my view its a number of factors affecting different generations of fans/supporters: -
1. Way club views & treats its fans.
2. Lack of Ambition from the board, i.e. Expenditure & Managerial appointments
3. Quality of Football, lack of passion from players and lack of commitment
4. Poor Matchday experience, way too many nanny's/jobsworth in florescent jackets
5. Poeple feel ripped off
Jon W, westhoughton says...
1:44pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Chris Manning wrote:That is the one thing that would give the club, and Premiership football, generally, a masssive boost. It winds me up when I see games on TV from around Europe with large, passionate, STANDING crowds. Why cant we have that luxury? If just 1 or 2 of the 8 stands at the Reebok was standing, what a boost it would give to everyone, whether they used the terraces or not. On a positive note, the fireworks have gone, the flag wavers have gone and the music when we score has gone. In the short term can we now just get rid of the ridiculously loud pre-match music and the band? Terraces would be the icing on the cake, but we know it will never happen.
Bring back terracing.
eenie, Derby says...
1:44pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Den wrote:I think this is a very good explanation.
In my view its a number of factors affecting different generations of fans/supporters: -
1. Way club views & treats its fans.
2. Lack of Ambition from the board, i.e. Expenditure & Managerial appointments
3. Quality of Football, lack of passion from players and lack of commitment
4. Poor Matchday experience, way too many nanny's/jobsworth in florescent jackets
5. Poeple feel ripped off
The current drop has come imo because people are fed up with how gartside runs things. Forget Megson, we're stuck with him, and he at least is a determined if limited manager. The board are showing a lack of ambition as said which not only annoys the fans but when you listen to the words come out of gartslime's mouth you just want to punch him. It's our club, not his, we're the people who support the team through anything, but at the same time we don't need to be treated like dirt or like we're at a circus for doing so.
Yeah, performances aren't good, but that isn't the reason, it's an excuse from the board to hide their failings. We need to create a great atmosphere of noise, support and intimidation for other fans.
And the guys in fluorescent coats should've been at Leicester's filbert street a few years ago, the abuse we got from the FAMILY stand was so foul mouthed you couldn't help but laugh.
YouriLeGod, Bolton says...
1:45pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Went to the San Siro to watch Inter Milan last year and paid 19 euros (12 pounds for a seat on the second tier).
Got cheap air fares too which probably worked out in total at less than the £39 quid you would fork out at the Reebok.
The toilets at the Reebok are better though.
European football is much cheaper than the Premier League.
Got cheap air fares too which probably worked out in total at less than the £39 quid you would fork out at the Reebok.
The toilets at the Reebok are better though.
European football is much cheaper than the Premier League.
lord kangana, Bolton says...
1:47pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jordan wrote:So why is it we (the paying customers - the very reason the club exists) can see this, and the business itself cannot.
lord kangana wrote: JORDAN:- I couldn't agree more with you. The way the fans were traeted in the Allianz Arena was breathtaking. The card thing for your food and drink was a great idea - that would be so easy to replicate at the Wanderers - and the service was both quick and friendly. And just to answer some other peoples points about match day prices, I spoke to many friendly Bayern fans (I'm sure most of us who went did) and one in particular that I had a long discussion with told me that the price of a Bundesliga match in the lower tier for memebers was 8 (eight!!) Euros per game!!! Thats around a Fiver!! Does anyone now understand why the German league, despite not being glamorous, is so well attended, and why we are so hacked off? And I still say we should have an unreserved seating area until the time when terraces may return.If we had a more realistic match day ticket price like that... you wouldnt be able to keep me away. Whereas at the moment we first have to figure out when we're playing, then look to see if its going to cost me up to 39 quid for a ticket or 20-something before working out if i can afford it.
Against Boro was the first time I felt truly ripped off - and maybe it was because of the Bayern game, so what - its up to the club to respond and be pro-active.
Phil Gartside doesn't care about filling the ground, he knows he can rely on enough mugs to pay inflated prices to not have to make any effort.
I stand to be corrected, but I feel that our club just don't care about us ONE BIT.
birch, chorley says...
1:51pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:1. beeing thrown out without warning for singing sack the drums and standing up!
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote: Jon, Bolton ... HERE YOU GO AGAIN... DO YOU ACTUALLY READ ANY OTHER POSTS ON HERE?? THE PRICE OF A SEASON TICKET HAS NO RELEVANCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WIDER PICTURE!!!! IT IS THE WAY WE ARE TREATED, RIPPED OFF, LIED TO, FORCED TO WATCH CRAP AND SO ON.....Give some examples then. How are we treated badly as fans? Specifically to Bolton, I need examples. How are we ripped off? Again some examples. When have we been lied to?
2. season ticket price of £466, wigan and blackburn £250!!!
3. we will not sell jay jay, panorama showed gartside offering him to anyone!!
do you need anymore?
Jon, Bolton says...
1:52pm Wed 14 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:Right lets examine this list.
Jon wrote:STEWARDS, PARKING PRICES, FOOD PRICES, MONEY AVAILABLE THEN TURNS OUT THERES NOT, KEEPING OUR BACKROOM STAFF AND THEN THEY ALL JOIN ALLARDYCE.. AND COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON.. ARE U PG'S BOTTY CHUM??BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote: Jon, Bolton ... HERE YOU GO AGAIN... DO YOU ACTUALLY READ ANY OTHER POSTS ON HERE?? THE PRICE OF A SEASON TICKET HAS NO RELEVANCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WIDER PICTURE!!!! IT IS THE WAY WE ARE TREATED, RIPPED OFF, LIED TO, FORCED TO WATCH CRAP AND SO ON.....Give some examples then. How are we treated badly as fans? Specifically to Bolton, I need examples. How are we ripped off? Again some examples. When have we been lied to?
I've never once had an issue with a steward at the Reebok. I know some who have, but wonder whether ours are any worse than the stewards at Old Trafford or Anfield.
Parking prices, well the club are locked into a pricing scheme to try and persuade people to use other forms of transport, they agreed this with the council as part of the terms for the Reebok development. Its to try and keep cars down. I have emailed the club about this and complained about the prices, but there is little they can do. They do offer discounted parking with a season ticket.
Food prices are no different to any football club. Simple answer, don't buy food in the ground.
Money available, NOBODY has ever said how much money will be available. Money has been spent every season. The club is not "stockpiling" cash, everything is re-invested. Including Davies own cash.
Backroom staff, they wanted to leave, how is that the fault of the club? And how is it a case of "fans being mistreated"?
Our club is currently taking one of Wolves most highly regarded loyal backroom staff, does that mean that our fans are now being "treated well"?
Jon W, westhoughton says...
1:53pm Wed 14 Nov 07
jay wrote:Jay,
the attendances have dropped even more simply because Gartside is a fkwit and appointed the cheapest possible option for manager, im still baffled how you interview some1 for a job see that they have won 7 in 40odd prem games then decide he must be good enough to manage us! Instead of turning up week in week out with Gartside out banners and protesting at the tw4t ruining our club, alot of just decided to save their time and money! Cant really blame them really, im only going in future when i get hold of a free ticket and theres enough of them about because even season ticket holders are not bothering! There would be more fans turning up if Gartside showed some ambition when appointing a manager, simple as!
I'm not defending the appointment of either of our last 2 managers, but firstly we cant keep throwing that West Brom statistic at Megson, by that rule Billy Davies, Paul Jewell, Mick McCarthy, Aidy Boothroyd, Bruce Rioch etc etc etc etc are crap managers - not true. So stop being lazy in quoting that, its as if we're saying being a manager outside the top flight doesnt count. Secondly, we had BSA as manager for the first half of 2007 but that didnt exactly having people flocking to the Reebok did it? Crowds have been dropping for years, there are loads of reasons, but who our manager is is probably bottom of the list.
GC, Turton says...
1:55pm Wed 14 Nov 07
If you want to bring the fans back then obviously they need to povide really colourful fireworks before the game. I used to love seeing those fireworks go off. Fantastic. And the man with the flag and those cheerleaders. Lovely. I did'nt bother staying for the game after the pre-match entertainment. I used to leave before kick-off to avoid the queues.
I am sure my views will be taken into account by the Reebok hierarchy. You see I am a simpleton, just like all the fans. That is why they treat us like they do. They can appoint crap managers with the help of dodgy agents, promise signings that never materialise, charge rip off prices for everything. The list goes on. If only they would listen instead of treating us like morons there might be a chance of turning this around, but I fear that Gartslime and co are going to drag us down into the pit from whence we will never return.
I am sure my views will be taken into account by the Reebok hierarchy. You see I am a simpleton, just like all the fans. That is why they treat us like they do. They can appoint crap managers with the help of dodgy agents, promise signings that never materialise, charge rip off prices for everything. The list goes on. If only they would listen instead of treating us like morons there might be a chance of turning this around, but I fear that Gartslime and co are going to drag us down into the pit from whence we will never return.
Jon W, westhoughton says...
1:59pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Den, I dont understand that bit "lack of passion from players and lack of commitment".
That's well wide of the mark, which players in particular to you mean? We can say what we want about this year's performances, but I never fail to be impressed by the effort and spirit of the players compared to many teams I've seen on TV. Can you name names?
Also, I dont understand how anyone can feel ripped off apart from the away fans (who are always overcharged at the Reebok). Complain all you like about the football on offer, but the prices are almost embarrassingly cheap this season. I was paying more per game on average 10 years ago in Division 1.
That's well wide of the mark, which players in particular to you mean? We can say what we want about this year's performances, but I never fail to be impressed by the effort and spirit of the players compared to many teams I've seen on TV. Can you name names?
Also, I dont understand how anyone can feel ripped off apart from the away fans (who are always overcharged at the Reebok). Complain all you like about the football on offer, but the prices are almost embarrassingly cheap this season. I was paying more per game on average 10 years ago in Division 1.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
2:00pm Wed 14 Nov 07
£10 - £15 PER TICKET AND £5 FOR UNDER 16'S. THE INCREASE IN CROWD WILL BALANCE THE PRICE REDUCTION AND WE WILL HAVE A BETTER ATMOSPHERE AGAIN. THE ABOVE, COUPLED WITH SACKING GARTSIDE, THE STEWARDS, ALL THE BAR STAFF AND CARPARK ATTENDANTS NOT TO MENTION 4 OR 5 PLAYERS AND ONCE AGAIN HAPPY DAYS.... HERES WISHING !!
Jordan, Manchester says...
2:04pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon W wrote:paying less 10 years ago in division 1??? thats the biggest lie i've seen on here... EVER!
Den, I dont understand that bit "lack of passion from players and lack of commitment". That's well wide of the mark, which players in particular to you mean? We can say what we want about this year's performances, but I never fail to be impressed by the effort and spirit of the players compared to many teams I've seen on TV. Can you name names? Also, I dont understand how anyone can feel ripped off apart from the away fans (who are always overcharged at the Reebok). Complain all you like about the football on offer, but the prices are almost embarrassingly cheap this season. I was paying more per game on average 10 years ago in Division 1.
when we moved to the reebok, the prices more than doubled!!
lord kangana, Bolton says...
2:08pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon W wrote:You were paying more per game in division 1 10 years ago?
Den, I dont understand that bit "lack of passion from players and lack of commitment". That's well wide of the mark, which players in particular to you mean? We can say what we want about this year's performances, but I never fail to be impressed by the effort and spirit of the players compared to many teams I've seen on TV. Can you name names? Also, I dont understand how anyone can feel ripped off apart from the away fans (who are always overcharged at the Reebok). Complain all you like about the football on offer, but the prices are almost embarrassingly cheap this season. I was paying more per game on average 10 years ago in Division 1.
In which alternate universe was that?
My first season ticket at the Reebok was well under £300 - the same one is now over £450 (and no, I don't have one anymore BECAUSE OF THE PRICE AND NOTHING ELSE).
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
2:09pm Wed 14 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:AND THEN KNOCK ASDA DOWN AND MOVE BACK TO BURNDEN!!!
£10 - £15 PER TICKET AND £5 FOR UNDER 16'S. THE INCREASE IN CROWD WILL BALANCE THE PRICE REDUCTION AND WE WILL HAVE A BETTER ATMOSPHERE AGAIN. THE ABOVE, COUPLED WITH SACKING GARTSIDE, THE STEWARDS, ALL THE BAR STAFF AND CARPARK ATTENDANTS NOT TO MENTION 4 OR 5 PLAYERS AND ONCE AGAIN HAPPY DAYS.... HERES WISHING !!
Mike, Wonderland says...
2:17pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Standing around waiting ages to be served for a coffee at over inflated prices doesn't help matters.
Allowing our most successful manager in recent times and key players to leave, without adequate replacement doesn't help matters.
Appointing a novice manager without a clue doesn't help.
Appointing a low profile manager with little prem experience doesn't help.
Treating the supporters like fools doesn't help.
Allowing our most successful manager in recent times and key players to leave, without adequate replacement doesn't help matters.
Appointing a novice manager without a clue doesn't help.
Appointing a low profile manager with little prem experience doesn't help.
Treating the supporters like fools doesn't help.
worthy, harwood says...
2:21pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I DONT THINK COST IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE TICKET PRICES ARE CHEAPER THAN LAST SEASON . THE ISSUE IS QUALITY ON THE PITCH.I WOULD PUT UP WITH THE CAR PARK WAITNG AT THE KIOSKS AT HALF TIME ETC IF I WAS WATCHING A GOOD GAME OF FOOTBALL BUT AT PRESENT IT IS UTTER RUBBISH..NEE SIGNINGS IN JANUARY THAT IS GOING TO INDICATE THAT WE DO HAVE AMBITION NOT SIGNINGS LIKE LSL CRAP..........
worthy, harwood says...
2:21pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I DONT THINK COST IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE TICKET PRICES ARE CHEAPER THAN LAST SEASON . THE ISSUE IS QUALITY ON THE PITCH.I WOULD PUT UP WITH THE CAR PARK WAITNG AT THE KIOSKS AT HALF TIME ETC IF I WAS WATCHING A GOOD GAME OF FOOTBALL BUT AT PRESENT IT IS UTTER RUBBISH..NEE SIGNINGS IN JANUARY THAT IS GOING TO INDICATE THAT WE DO HAVE AMBITION NOT SIGNINGS LIKE LSL CRAP..........
GC, Turton says...
2:22pm Wed 14 Nov 07
And playing one up front at home against Middlesboro has probably seen off a few thousand more.
steve, daubhill says...
2:23pm Wed 14 Nov 07
embarrssingly cheap??? run that one by me again...
radcliffe white, radcliffe says...
2:26pm Wed 14 Nov 07
At the end of the day there are alot of factors these are my personal reasons
Sky kick off times 5.15 Sat and Sunday matches are awfull thats not the clubs fault.
catering staff who cant speak english!
Stewards but we know that!
food Menu board hasnt changed in 10yrs!
season ticket holders only to get into bars!
Cowboy Security firm telling me i cant park on retail car park!
My Main concern why do we need postal applications? apart from first couple of seasons we dont sell out away. Unless theres a match with small allocation then fair enough
Sky kick off times 5.15 Sat and Sunday matches are awfull thats not the clubs fault.
catering staff who cant speak english!
Stewards but we know that!
food Menu board hasnt changed in 10yrs!
season ticket holders only to get into bars!
Cowboy Security firm telling me i cant park on retail car park!
My Main concern why do we need postal applications? apart from first couple of seasons we dont sell out away. Unless theres a match with small allocation then fair enough
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
2:28pm Wed 14 Nov 07
DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO SPEND IN JANUARY WITHOUT SELLING ANYONE??
worthy, harwood says...
2:33pm Wed 14 Nov 07
AFTER YESTERDAYS RESULTS NOT MUCH.....
Jon W, westhoughton says...
2:36pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jordan wrote:OK I may have been exaggerating SLIGHTLY but I'm certainly not lieing. Ignoring the rip-off Cat A+ Chelsea game, 5 of the last 6 games at the Reebok v Villa, Boro, City, Braga & Rabotnik have cost less than £75 for me and less than £30 for each of my 2 kids. If I had gone to 5 games 10 years ago it would not have been this cheap, whatever competition they had been in. Can anyone justify not going to the cup games at the Reebok on the grounds of cost? And Category B and C games league games, particularly with a membership, are very affordable, its nonsense for people to say they're too expensive.
Jon W wrote: Den, I dont understand that bit "lack of passion from players and lack of commitment". That's well wide of the mark, which players in particular to you mean? We can say what we want about this year's performances, but I never fail to be impressed by the effort and spirit of the players compared to many teams I've seen on TV. Can you name names? Also, I dont understand how anyone can feel ripped off apart from the away fans (who are always overcharged at the Reebok). Complain all you like about the football on offer, but the prices are almost embarrassingly cheap this season. I was paying more per game on average 10 years ago in Division 1.paying less 10 years ago in division 1??? thats the biggest lie i've seen on here... EVER! when we moved to the reebok, the prices more than doubled!!
steve, daubhill says...
2:40pm Wed 14 Nov 07
prices may be SLIGHTLY cheaper than last year but they are still way too expensive. Sunday football used to be a novelty and attracted great crowds - remember the Stoke game at Burnden in the mid 70s - now it just spoils the weekend. I'm guessing most of us are disgruntled by events on the pitch and the farcical decisions in the wake of Big Sam leaving, but i think it's the problems in football in general that are as much to blame. Terracing was better than being forced to sit; 3pm saturday kick offs are better than Sunday lunchtime or afternoon, or gawd forbid Saturday tea time, and the sight of over priced players driving around in cars that cost more money than I may possibly earn in the rest of my working life, paid in part by my over priced season ticket also help disillusion fans forced to pay prices that don't represent good value for money. Sky claims it has made the premier league the best in Europe. What they have done is turn it into a goldrush with average foreign players swarming over to swamp the market at the expense of our home grown talent. The knock on effect is our national team are struggling to qualify from a seeming mediocre group because the English game is too multi-national. Bolton have been one of those teams to exploit the overseas market and while it allows us to buy better players and therefore gain more success - we have contributed to the decline of the national game. The whole game is heading for boiling point..
YouriLeGod, Bolton says...
2:40pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I'm guessing - Nothing unless we have some Panini cards to swop.
I think they have a few old Jay Jays we could use for a championship centre half.
I think they have a few old Jay Jays we could use for a championship centre half.
Jon W, westhoughton says...
2:44pm Wed 14 Nov 07
steve wrote:Steve, see my earlier post re prices of 5 of the last 6 games. The embarrassment is sitting opposite a Spurs fan who goes to the same away grounds as we go to and has to pay £10 or £15 more than us but still takes 3 or 4 times as many fans, or in the case of European games at White Hart Lane about £25 more than we pay. Then they still get the same size crowd as they get for Prem games and we get 50% less. If I could only say we were getting ripped off I would be less embarrassed (at least I can use that excuse when we dont sell out v Man U). As it is I hate to admit to fans of most other clubs how cheap our games actually are.
embarrssingly cheap??? run that one by me again...
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
2:46pm Wed 14 Nov 07
WONDER HOW MUCH DAVE FELGATE WOULD COST US?? I RECKON WE WOULD ONLY NEED TO PAY HIM £250 A WEEK... TREVOR MORGAN £300P/W..... WARREN JOYCE £300P/W.... BETTER STANDARD THAN GLEN WHELAN!!!
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
2:52pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I dont blame the Board for matters outside their control eg Standing and Smoking rules, nor do I condone those who want to stand and hurl 4 letter words at stewards for 90 minutes without paying the slightest attention to the match.These dinosaurs belong in the 80s.
Where they have let us down is a series of bad decisions. Poor appointments, allowing local media to hype up stories of transfer activity and producing a tatty experience within the stadium. Is there nobody with any imagination who can improve the catering, pre match and half time entertainment?
Where they have let us down is a series of bad decisions. Poor appointments, allowing local media to hype up stories of transfer activity and producing a tatty experience within the stadium. Is there nobody with any imagination who can improve the catering, pre match and half time entertainment?
worthy, harwood says...
2:57pm Wed 14 Nov 07
PEOPLE PAY MORE AT MARKS AND SPENCERS THAN NETTO .MARKS AND SPENCERS IS ALWAYS BUSY OF THEM BOTH . THE DAY M AND S QUALITY DECLINES WILL BE THE DAY PEOPLE STOP SHOPPING THERE.THERFORE THE QUALITY OF THE GOODS WE ARE RECEVING ON THE PITCH IS DECLINEING THATS WHY PEOPLE WILL NOT GO SIMPLE........
Only one Andy Walker, London says...
2:58pm Wed 14 Nov 07
wE NEED TO CREATE AN EXCITING ATMOSPHERE AND REDUCED PRICES TO GET THE FANS BACK. UNFORTUNATELY ATMOSPHERE HAS TO COME FROM THE FANS NOT FROM CHEERLEADERS, BANDS, FLAG WAVERS OR FIREWORKS.
WENT TO THE OLD OLYMPIC STADIUM IN MUNICH AND NOTICED THEY HAD SEATS WHICH HAD A SMALL BARRIER ON THE BACK OF EACH SEAT SO THAT THE PERSON BEHIND COULD STAND UP WITHOUT A PROBLEM. THIS COULD BE THE HALFWAY HOUSE WE ARE LOOKING FOR. WE COULD HAVE A SECTION BEHIND THE GOALS(SOUTH STAND) FOR THIS. IF YOU HAVE STANDING YOU GENERATE ATMOSPHERE AND A FEELING OF TOGETHERNESS. IN MUNICH I STOOD UP ALL MATCH WITHOUT ANY STEWARDS TELLING ME TO SIT DOWN. EVEN THE POLICE, WHO RAN UP AND DOWN THE AISLE, DID NOTHING. THIS WAS MUCH BETTER.
HOW TO BRING BACK THE FANS? WE HAVE TO THINK BIGGER!
1 BRING BACK STANDING IN SECTIONS.
2 DROP PRICES TO £10 A GAME.
3 GET RID OF FLAG WAVERS.
4 GET THE ANNOUNCER FROM B MUNICH TO INTRODUCE THE PLAYERS LIKE HE DID WITH OLLY KAHN.
5 MOVE CLUB BACK TO BOLTON TOWN CENTRE WHERE IT'S EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO GET TO THE GROUND AND AND THE PUB BEFORE AND AFTER THE GAME.
WENT TO THE OLD OLYMPIC STADIUM IN MUNICH AND NOTICED THEY HAD SEATS WHICH HAD A SMALL BARRIER ON THE BACK OF EACH SEAT SO THAT THE PERSON BEHIND COULD STAND UP WITHOUT A PROBLEM. THIS COULD BE THE HALFWAY HOUSE WE ARE LOOKING FOR. WE COULD HAVE A SECTION BEHIND THE GOALS(SOUTH STAND) FOR THIS. IF YOU HAVE STANDING YOU GENERATE ATMOSPHERE AND A FEELING OF TOGETHERNESS. IN MUNICH I STOOD UP ALL MATCH WITHOUT ANY STEWARDS TELLING ME TO SIT DOWN. EVEN THE POLICE, WHO RAN UP AND DOWN THE AISLE, DID NOTHING. THIS WAS MUCH BETTER.
HOW TO BRING BACK THE FANS? WE HAVE TO THINK BIGGER!
1 BRING BACK STANDING IN SECTIONS.
2 DROP PRICES TO £10 A GAME.
3 GET RID OF FLAG WAVERS.
4 GET THE ANNOUNCER FROM B MUNICH TO INTRODUCE THE PLAYERS LIKE HE DID WITH OLLY KAHN.
5 MOVE CLUB BACK TO BOLTON TOWN CENTRE WHERE IT'S EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO GET TO THE GROUND AND AND THE PUB BEFORE AND AFTER THE GAME.
lofty, bolton says...
3:04pm Wed 14 Nov 07
As far as I can see it's quite simple.
With big Sam we were going somewhere...Europe was realistic..we were even £4-5 million away from a champions league spot.
Exit Sam who must have been totally frustrated with the lack of investment, and enter the board (for the board read Mr Gartside).
Sammy Lee on the cheap...failure...ok let's move on.
The board signalled to me (and a lot of others) the clubs future ambition and direction, when the names of the potential new managers were discussed (were any Bolton fans genuinely excited by that short list),and finally with the appointment of Mr Megson.
The ambition is now not Europe, nor even top half, our ambition now is at best to remain in the premier league.
The grotesque of spending last season desperatly trying to qualify for europe and now state that it is not a priority makes me ashamed.
Who doubts the revised ambitions of this club when you look at the potential signings linked with the Wanderers in the January window, and who also doubts that our best assets, and the reason that many of us turned up in all weathers, will be disposed of at the same time. Who also really believes that those funds will be re-invested in better players.
The issue is not that we are in the bottom 3 at the moment, the real issue is that the club has signalled it's intent, that the glory days are over, and let's get back to the mediocrity that we put up with for so many years.
Give the supporters a reason to give up their hard earned pay, and they will turn up. At the moment, the board of BWFC do not deserve that support.
With big Sam we were going somewhere...Europe was realistic..we were even £4-5 million away from a champions league spot.
Exit Sam who must have been totally frustrated with the lack of investment, and enter the board (for the board read Mr Gartside).
Sammy Lee on the cheap...failure...ok let's move on.
The board signalled to me (and a lot of others) the clubs future ambition and direction, when the names of the potential new managers were discussed (were any Bolton fans genuinely excited by that short list),and finally with the appointment of Mr Megson.
The ambition is now not Europe, nor even top half, our ambition now is at best to remain in the premier league.
The grotesque of spending last season desperatly trying to qualify for europe and now state that it is not a priority makes me ashamed.
Who doubts the revised ambitions of this club when you look at the potential signings linked with the Wanderers in the January window, and who also doubts that our best assets, and the reason that many of us turned up in all weathers, will be disposed of at the same time. Who also really believes that those funds will be re-invested in better players.
The issue is not that we are in the bottom 3 at the moment, the real issue is that the club has signalled it's intent, that the glory days are over, and let's get back to the mediocrity that we put up with for so many years.
Give the supporters a reason to give up their hard earned pay, and they will turn up. At the moment, the board of BWFC do not deserve that support.
Only one Andy Walker, London says...
3:21pm Wed 14 Nov 07
REASONS FOR POOR GATES.
1 POOR BORING FOOTBALL UNDER ALLARDYCE FOR THREE YEARS.
2 CHEAP SAMMY LEE AS MANAGER
3 NO QUALITY BIG NAME SIGNINGS. JUST DEPRESSING MC CANN, SAMUEL SIGNINGS.
4 POOR ATMOSPHERE IN GROUND.
WE NEED TO SPEND BIG IN JAN. NEW CENTRE HALF, CENTRE MIDFIELD WITH PACE AND TOP NOTCH STRIKER TO COMPLIMENT ANELKA. THAT SHOULD DO IT.
1 POOR BORING FOOTBALL UNDER ALLARDYCE FOR THREE YEARS.
2 CHEAP SAMMY LEE AS MANAGER
3 NO QUALITY BIG NAME SIGNINGS. JUST DEPRESSING MC CANN, SAMUEL SIGNINGS.
4 POOR ATMOSPHERE IN GROUND.
WE NEED TO SPEND BIG IN JAN. NEW CENTRE HALF, CENTRE MIDFIELD WITH PACE AND TOP NOTCH STRIKER TO COMPLIMENT ANELKA. THAT SHOULD DO IT.
Savaaaaaaaaage!, Wrexham '88 says...
3:24pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Two main reasons I don't go to many home games but DO go to some away games (like many others I know):
1. I just don't like the Reebok - never any singing or atmosphere and like the board, I've no idea how to improve it apart from getting it full every game by giving away thousands of tickets which doesn't make financial sense. I'm just a stay-away-fan now. It's up to the club to entice me back.
2. No entertainers in the team, just grafters. I want to see graft (Super Kev Davies) plus some excitement so where is our new Jay-Jay, Youri, Beardsley, Scott Sellars, Thommo, Curcic etc. Anelka isn't really an entertainer - he just sticks the ball in the net and he'll surely be sold in Jan.
On point 2, when I'd heard that Allardyce had banned our players including Okocha from doing his tricks and fining players for shooting from outside the area that's when I started losing interest and stopped going to games.
Yes, we were successful under big sam, but the last 2 years or so were dull and boring with exactly the same formation each week.
Sammy Lee tried to change it all for the right reasons, but panicked and made too many bad signings and too many changes in a short space of time, but the idea was right... play with flair and passion and the crowds will come back. I certainly would.
So, if the board wanted to get bums on seats, it's easy. Entertain us on the pitch and we'll put up with t'Reebok, prices, traffic jams, poor catering and even the chairman's lies !!
1. I just don't like the Reebok - never any singing or atmosphere and like the board, I've no idea how to improve it apart from getting it full every game by giving away thousands of tickets which doesn't make financial sense. I'm just a stay-away-fan now. It's up to the club to entice me back.
2. No entertainers in the team, just grafters. I want to see graft (Super Kev Davies) plus some excitement so where is our new Jay-Jay, Youri, Beardsley, Scott Sellars, Thommo, Curcic etc. Anelka isn't really an entertainer - he just sticks the ball in the net and he'll surely be sold in Jan.
On point 2, when I'd heard that Allardyce had banned our players including Okocha from doing his tricks and fining players for shooting from outside the area that's when I started losing interest and stopped going to games.
Yes, we were successful under big sam, but the last 2 years or so were dull and boring with exactly the same formation each week.
Sammy Lee tried to change it all for the right reasons, but panicked and made too many bad signings and too many changes in a short space of time, but the idea was right... play with flair and passion and the crowds will come back. I certainly would.
So, if the board wanted to get bums on seats, it's easy. Entertain us on the pitch and we'll put up with t'Reebok, prices, traffic jams, poor catering and even the chairman's lies !!
Only one Andy Walker, London says...
3:27pm Wed 14 Nov 07
WE NEED MORE GOAL SCORERS!!!!!! SIMPLE.
DIOUF, DAVIES, NOLAN, CAMPO,SPEED, MC CANN, RICKIE G, DON'T SCORE MANY GOALS.
I LIKE DAVIES BUT HE HAS SCORE ONE GOAL THIS SEASON. THAT IS TERRIBLE. THEY SHOULD BE DETERMINED TO SCORE. COME ON WE NEED GOALS TO WIN GAMES.
WE NEED MORE GOAL SCORERS IN MIDFIELD ATTACK AND DEFENCE.
DIOUF, DAVIES, NOLAN, CAMPO,SPEED, MC CANN, RICKIE G, DON'T SCORE MANY GOALS.
I LIKE DAVIES BUT HE HAS SCORE ONE GOAL THIS SEASON. THAT IS TERRIBLE. THEY SHOULD BE DETERMINED TO SCORE. COME ON WE NEED GOALS TO WIN GAMES.
WE NEED MORE GOAL SCORERS IN MIDFIELD ATTACK AND DEFENCE.
Only one Andy Walker, London says...
3:31pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Savaaaaaaaaage! wrote:AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS.
Two main reasons I don't go to many home games but DO go to some away games (like many others I know):
1. I just don't like the Reebok - never any singing or atmosphere and like the board, I've no idea how to improve it apart from getting it full every game by giving away thousands of tickets which doesn't make financial sense. I'm just a stay-away-fan now. It's up to the club to entice me back.
2. No entertainers in the team, just grafters. I want to see graft (Super Kev Davies) plus some excitement so where is our new Jay-Jay, Youri, Beardsley, Scott Sellars, Thommo, Curcic etc. Anelka isn't really an entertainer - he just sticks the ball in the net and he'll surely be sold in Jan.
On point 2, when I'd heard that Allardyce had banned our players including Okocha from doing his tricks and fining players for shooting from outside the area that's when I started losing interest and stopped going to games.
Yes, we were successful under big sam, but the last 2 years or so were dull and boring with exactly the same formation each week.
Sammy Lee tried to change it all for the right reasons, but panicked and made too many bad signings and too many changes in a short space of time, but the idea was right... play with flair and passion and the crowds will come back. I certainly would.
So, if the board wanted to get bums on seats, it's easy. Entertain us on the pitch and we'll put up with t'Reebok, prices, traffic jams, poor catering and even the chairman's lies !!
wrothy, westhoughton says...
3:36pm Wed 14 Nov 07
over the last 100 years football has been a mans game mainly supported by men,its only realy the last 10 years that women and families have started to come to football which is great, dont get me wrong!
but in providing for the above we have forgot about the single lads which is your bedrock!!
they are being alienated from the club they love and have supported for years and why because a small minority of idiots in the past
involved in football violence but that was in the 70s and 80s mainly,it is very rare these days in the premier,when was the last time anyone saw a major disturbance at the reebok??
we need to start catering for the average joe bloggs again,not just families!!!
ps can anyone tell me why rugby league can av terracing and not football? they can take their beer on the terraces and the atmosphere is brill!!! we could learn a lot from rugby league i go to warrington £180.00 for mine and 105 for the lads and that includes every away game. a two pint pitcher inside the ground £3.80 enough said,plus it is a new stadium with 2 terraces and 2 stands
but in providing for the above we have forgot about the single lads which is your bedrock!!
they are being alienated from the club they love and have supported for years and why because a small minority of idiots in the past
involved in football violence but that was in the 70s and 80s mainly,it is very rare these days in the premier,when was the last time anyone saw a major disturbance at the reebok??
we need to start catering for the average joe bloggs again,not just families!!!
ps can anyone tell me why rugby league can av terracing and not football? they can take their beer on the terraces and the atmosphere is brill!!! we could learn a lot from rugby league i go to warrington £180.00 for mine and 105 for the lads and that includes every away game. a two pint pitcher inside the ground £3.80 enough said,plus it is a new stadium with 2 terraces and 2 stands
andy1979, Bolton says...
3:56pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Julie Moores wrote:A managers life without injuries would be ideal!!!!
A decent Manager who can play our best 11 players in their proper positions would help.
YouriLeGod, Bolton says...
4:02pm Wed 14 Nov 07
ps can anyone tell me why rugby league can av terracing and not football?
We do actually have a standing area and it's called the away end.
I never see the stewards making the away fans to sit down or throwing them out.
Just watch all the ManYoo fans next week - none will sit down but none will get thrown out.
Maybe if everyone stood up we might get our way, They can't throw us all out can they?
We do actually have a standing area and it's called the away end.
I never see the stewards making the away fans to sit down or throwing them out.
Just watch all the ManYoo fans next week - none will sit down but none will get thrown out.
Maybe if everyone stood up we might get our way, They can't throw us all out can they?
Trotter, Bolton says...
4:02pm Wed 14 Nov 07
SIMPLE SOLUTIONS:
Adults £10 - £15
Children £6
Reduce Gartsides (£333k) & Duckworth (£417k) wage to £25,000 (at least Dick Turpin wore a mask)
Food and drink at realistic prices (Julie should not have to take her own refreshments).
Put the fans who sing, behind the goal.
Adults £10 - £15
Children £6
Reduce Gartsides (£333k) & Duckworth (£417k) wage to £25,000 (at least Dick Turpin wore a mask)
Food and drink at realistic prices (Julie should not have to take her own refreshments).
Put the fans who sing, behind the goal.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
4:07pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I would happily sit behind a goal if it meant thats where all the singers would be.
supersaints, bolton says...
4:10pm Wed 14 Nov 07
agree with wrothy i watch the saints and u can have a pint anywhere in the ground go the reebok to watch the rugby league and u can sit in ur sit with it low and behold sat after when im there to watch bolton some stuffy steward telling me i have to drink my beer on the concourse, obviously if you take your beer to your seat you become an hooligan!
chiphill spud, nottingham says...
4:14pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Cost for me to watch B.W.F.C Ticket £35, fuel from nottingham £30, pie £2.30 times two cause i like me pies, 1 beer cause im driving £2.30, programme £3.00 = £74.90p out of £269.38p per week thats a third of my wage to watch football. Now people come on here and say get behind the club give them the support they need. In tolden days I drove up and down the country following the whites watching some right **** but still having a laugh doing it but now I come to the Reebox and it's like walking into a prison don,t do this don,t do that and yes i am the one who sings my head of stands up and cheers with my old flat cap on, (that they don,t sell no more). My seat number was d54 lower entrance I, so please don,t tar all fans with the same brush.
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
4:18pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I dont blame the Board for matters outside their control eg Standing and Smoking rules, nor do I condone those who want to stand and hurl 4 letter words at stewards for 90 minutes without paying the slightest attention to the match.These dinosaurs belong in the 80s.
Where they have let us down is a series of bad decisions. Poor appointments, allowing local media to hype up stories of transfer activity and producing a tatty experience within the stadium. Is there nobody with any imagination who can improve the catering, pre match and half time entertainment?
Where they have let us down is a series of bad decisions. Poor appointments, allowing local media to hype up stories of transfer activity and producing a tatty experience within the stadium. Is there nobody with any imagination who can improve the catering, pre match and half time entertainment?
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
4:22pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Trotter wrote:my god, i wish i could sit expressionless for 90 minutes a week for £333k p/a.. judging by his lack of movement during the games i dont even think he goes himself anymore.. he sends a cardboard cut out instead.
SIMPLE SOLUTIONS: Adults £10 - £15 Children £6 Reduce Gartsides (£333k) & Duckworth (£417k) wage to £25,000 (at least Dick Turpin wore a mask) Food and drink at realistic prices (Julie should not have to take her own refreshments). Put the fans who sing, behind the goal.
Jon, Bolton says...
4:22pm Wed 14 Nov 07
chiphill spud wrote:Not many match tickets are £35. Also you don't need to buy a programme.
Cost for me to watch B.W.F.C Ticket £35, fuel from nottingham £30, pie £2.30 times two cause i like me pies, 1 beer cause im driving £2.30, programme £3.00 = £74.90p out of £269.38p per week thats a third of my wage to watch football. Now people come on here and say get behind the club give them the support they need. In tolden days I drove up and down the country following the whites watching some right **** but still having a laugh doing it but now I come to the Reebox and it's like walking into a prison don,t do this don,t do that and yes i am the one who sings my head of stands up and cheers with my old flat cap on, (that they don,t sell no more). My seat number was d54 lower entrance I, so please don,t tar all fans with the same brush.
Football is more expensive now.
But it costs £15 to see most league 1 sides now. Some Bolton games are less than that and a lot of prem games are £21.
Relatively we aren't priced too badly.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
4:28pm Wed 14 Nov 07
hahahaha .... jon mate... wider picture !!!! you have got to be pg's ****.... surely your not still wearing rose tinted glasses??
wrothy, westhoughton says...
4:33pm Wed 14 Nov 07
jon you idiot crawl back up pgs backside you muppet,were being ripped off every which way you look at it
lord kangana, Bolton says...
4:38pm Wed 14 Nov 07
The new TV deal etc etc means the club could have been innovators and slashed match-day prices, advertised the fact heavily, and got involved with the wider Bolton community (ie stretching as far as Radcliffe/Bury, Leigh, Worsley/Walkden etc).
There are loads of 'floating voters' in North West football and we could have hoovered them up.
We are not Man Utd et al - we cannot expect our ground to be full no matter what, we need to be leaders in the field of new ideas and marketing, not follow some supposed business model that works for a bunch of clubs who only have to exist to get a full gate. Fer chrisakes there are enough idiots who'd pay to watch the grass grow at OT - OUR CLUB IS NOT LIKE THEM.
Sadly our board has the collective intelligence of an under-5's remedial class to think by doing nothing we'll be ok.
For God's sake, Gartside, do SOMETHING, ANYTHING!!
There are loads of 'floating voters' in North West football and we could have hoovered them up.
We are not Man Utd et al - we cannot expect our ground to be full no matter what, we need to be leaders in the field of new ideas and marketing, not follow some supposed business model that works for a bunch of clubs who only have to exist to get a full gate. Fer chrisakes there are enough idiots who'd pay to watch the grass grow at OT - OUR CLUB IS NOT LIKE THEM.
Sadly our board has the collective intelligence of an under-5's remedial class to think by doing nothing we'll be ok.
For God's sake, Gartside, do SOMETHING, ANYTHING!!
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
4:40pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I never bought a season ticket simply because of cost, same with my mate. so we decided to go to select matches, boro being one.
Not to bothered about the refreshments cos i take my own if i think i will want something to eat. No point in drinkin at 3pm on a sunday so i had a coffee which is about the same price a starbucks, until i saw the size of it, at least i didn't need a p1ss halfway through the 1st and 2nd half.
I just think the cost and the atmosphere are the big let downs. I can accept the lack of ambition, i mean we're bolton, what do you expect, look at birmingham, preston, sheffield (both clubs), Nottingham, all big clubs by comparrison but we're still riding it out.
Bottom line is football is now big business.
Unfortunately being a Bolton fan is somethig I was born into, you can't change your family can you, BWFC is my family now.
Jus realised i'm going on a bit now.
Not to bothered about the refreshments cos i take my own if i think i will want something to eat. No point in drinkin at 3pm on a sunday so i had a coffee which is about the same price a starbucks, until i saw the size of it, at least i didn't need a p1ss halfway through the 1st and 2nd half.
I just think the cost and the atmosphere are the big let downs. I can accept the lack of ambition, i mean we're bolton, what do you expect, look at birmingham, preston, sheffield (both clubs), Nottingham, all big clubs by comparrison but we're still riding it out.
Bottom line is football is now big business.
Unfortunately being a Bolton fan is somethig I was born into, you can't change your family can you, BWFC is my family now.
Jus realised i'm going on a bit now.
stuart, says...
4:44pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Open the gates at half time let everyone in for a fiver.
If people wanna stand up let them stand up.
Have a fireworks display after the game.
Bolton Cheerleaders.
First beer and pie for free free
Actually win a game and play attacking football.
Let people smoke inside?
sighn up David beckham for a couple of seasons
(Julie should not have to take her own refreshments).
If people wanna stand up let them stand up.
Have a fireworks display after the game.
Bolton Cheerleaders.
First beer and pie for free free
Actually win a game and play attacking football.
Let people smoke inside?
sighn up David beckham for a couple of seasons
(Julie should not have to take her own refreshments).
Jon, Bolton says...
4:48pm Wed 14 Nov 07
wrothy wrote:Oh how intelligent.
jon you idiot crawl back up pgs backside you muppet,were being ripped off every which way you look at it
Nobody has yet told me how we are "being ripped off".
I think petrol is a rip off. But I don't sit on a website whinging about it, and if I really wanted to do something about it I'd do something constructive, like write to my MP or directly to an oil company.
Why don't you email the club with some sensible, non-aggressive points. They usually reply if you aren't rude.
See what they say. There are usually reasons for things being the way they are.
If you can't manage writing a letter, then ask your mum for some help eh?
Trotter, Bolton says...
4:49pm Wed 14 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:He will be off to Australia soon ...... for 3 weeks, he goes every year.
Trotter wrote: SIMPLE SOLUTIONS: Adults £10 - £15 Children £6 Reduce Gartsides (£333k) & Duckworth (£417k) wage to £25,000 (at least Dick Turpin wore a mask) Food and drink at realistic prices (Julie should not have to take her own refreshments). Put the fans who sing, behind the goal.my god, i wish i could sit expressionless for 90 minutes a week for £333k p/a.. judging by his lack of movement during the games i dont even think he goes himself anymore.. he sends a cardboard cut out instead.
Shogun, Manchester says...
4:53pm Wed 14 Nov 07
PG SA and GM are all easy scapegoats, as are the head steward and so on.
These are people just doing their jobs.
Society has changed since the days when forms of anti-social behaviour was deemed acceptable for the sake of humour and having a good time.
I loved seeing my father and his mates drunk, cracking jokes, on tour across the country, and it felt great being apart of that community that congregated every match day without any boundaries.
This hasn't made me use vulgar language excessively, become an alcoholic or become an hooligan in my adulthood.
If you want to point the finger point it at those lunatic left wing bigots that are so leftwing they're actually rightwing that have passed law after law on issues that may seem to just affect society but actually have had an affect on the football.
Football reflects society, the more laws that are passed the more the people are controlled and right now in this overly liberal state we are told to sit in a certain place, drink in a certain area, eat to your right, and smoke over there all in the name of health and safety.
Oh and you cannot sing that song because it might offend the blogg family over in the corporate seats.
Rules mean discipline, disciplined people walk in a straight line.
This is not entertaining, which is why crowds have dwindled.
So why have Arsenal/Man utd crowds risen?
Because a large proportion of people who go to those games are the type of people who started following football after the taylor report, when sky sports made it more of a circus than an actual social activity.
I've never spoken to people in a cinema, circus and so on, yet at football we would congregate, share moments together, before and after the match we would socialise together.
Now its drive to the reebok, 5min before game we're in, half time go to the toilets that are full of smoke now, after the match come out, in car, home, watch sky sports.
The experience has changed, want people to come back?
Be more dynamic and unique PG, introduce a dedicated section of the stadium thats for adults and likeminded individuals only.
Use the exibition facilities on matchdays for the real fans not the prawn sandwich brigade.
Have live music events after the match where people can congregate on the pitch (with adequate pitch coverings) and beer tents setup on the pitch.
Bringing it back to its roots is whats needed.
Grow some balls PG and be unique.
These are people just doing their jobs.
Society has changed since the days when forms of anti-social behaviour was deemed acceptable for the sake of humour and having a good time.
I loved seeing my father and his mates drunk, cracking jokes, on tour across the country, and it felt great being apart of that community that congregated every match day without any boundaries.
This hasn't made me use vulgar language excessively, become an alcoholic or become an hooligan in my adulthood.
If you want to point the finger point it at those lunatic left wing bigots that are so leftwing they're actually rightwing that have passed law after law on issues that may seem to just affect society but actually have had an affect on the football.
Football reflects society, the more laws that are passed the more the people are controlled and right now in this overly liberal state we are told to sit in a certain place, drink in a certain area, eat to your right, and smoke over there all in the name of health and safety.
Oh and you cannot sing that song because it might offend the blogg family over in the corporate seats.
Rules mean discipline, disciplined people walk in a straight line.
This is not entertaining, which is why crowds have dwindled.
So why have Arsenal/Man utd crowds risen?
Because a large proportion of people who go to those games are the type of people who started following football after the taylor report, when sky sports made it more of a circus than an actual social activity.
I've never spoken to people in a cinema, circus and so on, yet at football we would congregate, share moments together, before and after the match we would socialise together.
Now its drive to the reebok, 5min before game we're in, half time go to the toilets that are full of smoke now, after the match come out, in car, home, watch sky sports.
The experience has changed, want people to come back?
Be more dynamic and unique PG, introduce a dedicated section of the stadium thats for adults and likeminded individuals only.
Use the exibition facilities on matchdays for the real fans not the prawn sandwich brigade.
Have live music events after the match where people can congregate on the pitch (with adequate pitch coverings) and beer tents setup on the pitch.
Bringing it back to its roots is whats needed.
Grow some balls PG and be unique.
Jordanv2, Bolton says...
5:01pm Wed 14 Nov 07
start charging reasonable prices will be a start. £39 to watch a top Bolton game .. OUTRAGOUS.
We are being priced out no doubt about it the ticket prices for premiership matches is awful. Clubs round us like Blackburn and Wigan are charging fair prices for there fans .. whilst we are charging sky high prices to watch us never win a game, that Boro match was pathetic and not surprised people are not returning.
Poor Match day experience for stupid prices. Gartside sort it out !!
We are being priced out no doubt about it the ticket prices for premiership matches is awful. Clubs round us like Blackburn and Wigan are charging fair prices for there fans .. whilst we are charging sky high prices to watch us never win a game, that Boro match was pathetic and not surprised people are not returning.
Poor Match day experience for stupid prices. Gartside sort it out !!
wrothy, westhoughton says...
5:05pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:complete knob, it's people like you that are paying gartsides 333k wages and are happy to pay £2.60 for an hotdog that is realistic is it?
wrothy wrote: jon you idiot crawl back up pgs backside you muppet,were being ripped off every which way you look at itOh how intelligent. Nobody has yet told me how we are "being ripped off". I think petrol is a rip off. But I don't sit on a website whinging about it, and if I really wanted to do something about it I'd do something constructive, like write to my MP or directly to an oil company. Why don't you email the club with some sensible, non-aggressive points. They usually reply if you aren't rude. See what they say. There are usually reasons for things being the way they are. If you can't manage writing a letter, then ask your mum for some help eh?
knob
birch, chorley says...
5:07pm Wed 14 Nov 07
get jon off this forum, he is a right tool!
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
5:08pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:
wrothy wrote: jon you idiot crawl back up pgs backside you muppet,were being ripped off every which way you look at itOh how intelligent. Nobody has yet told me how we are "being ripped off". I think petrol is a rip off. But I don't sit on a website whinging about it, and if I really wanted to do something about it I'd do something constructive, like write to my MP or directly to an oil company. Why don't you email the club with some sensible, non-aggressive points. They usually reply if you aren't rude. See what they say. There are usually reasons for things being the way they are. If you can't manage writing a letter, then ask your mum for some help eh?
I think petrol is a rip off. But I don't sit on a website whinging about it, and if I really wanted to do something about it I'd do something constructive, like write to my MP or directly to an oil company.
where in this paragragh is constructive??? jon, do you live in the real world you thick 5h1t??!! mp's are as bent, thick and lazy as gartside!!! if your idea brings the price of fuel down then please let me know so i can move to your world...hahahaahahah A f%%k1n letter hahahahahaha... you are a clas act sunshine... keep em coming... julie you were right we need to get this guy in for half time entertainment!!!! hahahahahahaha
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
5:10pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Trotter wrote:nice one... at least if he's upside down out there he might talk through his mouth instead of his 455 !!!!
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:He will be off to Australia soon ...... for 3 weeks, he goes every year.Trotter wrote: SIMPLE SOLUTIONS: Adults £10 - £15 Children £6 Reduce Gartsides (£333k) & Duckworth (£417k) wage to £25,000 (at least Dick Turpin wore a mask) Food and drink at realistic prices (Julie should not have to take her own refreshments). Put the fans who sing, behind the goal.my god, i wish i could sit expressionless for 90 minutes a week for £333k p/a.. judging by his lack of movement during the games i dont even think he goes himself anymore.. he sends a cardboard cut out instead.
Andy, Staffordshire says...
5:11pm Wed 14 Nov 07
The over-riding messages from all the above are change and choice. Consider how much the football experience has actually changed over the last 10-15 years. Think of some things that have changed over the same timescale e.g. video hire shops, phone boxes, smoking in public places, free flowing motorways, personal debt, Made in the UK, travel agents, the cost of clothes, airline travel, digital TV (in no particular order).
People today have much greater spending power and will always vote with their feet. Until the football industry wises up to this fact the polarisation of the big few and sod the rest will continue. The coverage of football on pay TV has reached the point now where the tail is wagging the dog. The emphasis on the Champions League and the big 4 has led to the near death of the FA Cup, the League Cup and anything below about tenth in the Premiership. All this has been built up during a period of debt fuelled spending throughout society and the signs are that this is about to come to a very sticky end. The football industry in this country is more and more beholden to subscription audiences in the Far East and could probably bear the loss of Sky, Setanta etc.It is not really any wonder that the whole thing now resembles a circus. It is entirely possible that games could be televised to the rest of the world whilst being played in front of very sparse crowds, the money would continue to roll in and go straight into the players' pockets. This is not so far removed from the situation at present. Where does that leave the fans? Pretty much in the position they are in now where the clubs pay lip service to them but probably despise them at heart. People do not like being taken for granted or treated like mugs. The decline in football attendances will continue until the fans feel valued and that they are getting value.
People today have much greater spending power and will always vote with their feet. Until the football industry wises up to this fact the polarisation of the big few and sod the rest will continue. The coverage of football on pay TV has reached the point now where the tail is wagging the dog. The emphasis on the Champions League and the big 4 has led to the near death of the FA Cup, the League Cup and anything below about tenth in the Premiership. All this has been built up during a period of debt fuelled spending throughout society and the signs are that this is about to come to a very sticky end. The football industry in this country is more and more beholden to subscription audiences in the Far East and could probably bear the loss of Sky, Setanta etc.It is not really any wonder that the whole thing now resembles a circus. It is entirely possible that games could be televised to the rest of the world whilst being played in front of very sparse crowds, the money would continue to roll in and go straight into the players' pockets. This is not so far removed from the situation at present. Where does that leave the fans? Pretty much in the position they are in now where the clubs pay lip service to them but probably despise them at heart. People do not like being taken for granted or treated like mugs. The decline in football attendances will continue until the fans feel valued and that they are getting value.
wrothy, westhoughton says...
5:15pm Wed 14 Nov 07
wrothy wrote:by the way jon i did email the club regarding these matters and also the oppointment of megson and they didnt have the curtesy to email me back why? because they dont give a **** about the real fans get in the real world sunshine!!!!!!!
Jon wrote:complete knob, it's people like you that are paying gartsides 333k wages and are happy to pay £2.60 for an hotdog that is realistic is it? knobwrothy wrote: jon you idiot crawl back up pgs backside you muppet,were being ripped off every which way you look at itOh how intelligent. Nobody has yet told me how we are "being ripped off". I think petrol is a rip off. But I don't sit on a website whinging about it, and if I really wanted to do something about it I'd do something constructive, like write to my MP or directly to an oil company. Why don't you email the club with some sensible, non-aggressive points. They usually reply if you aren't rude. See what they say. There are usually reasons for things being the way they are. If you can't manage writing a letter, then ask your mum for some help eh?
woodies, bolton says...
5:16pm Wed 14 Nov 07
obvious, we have the best manager in years, he builds up the club, to new heights, premiership, europe, he askd for money because he can see the team is no longer good enough to compete at a higher level, he asks for money to carry on to the next stage, champions league, none avalable, just got 40 mill from sky TV rights etc, nothing doing. Manager leaves, lets get a new manager in without advertising it, Sammy Lee, in house fighting, results poor, bottom of league, 12 players bought for 4 mill, less 2 mill for faye, sack manager, bring in new manager on the cheap again, leicster fans cant believe their good luck at loosing him, note the chants megson for bolton, Bolton fans dont want him, as poll shows, but garside and any one in football, will know hes the man, haha, no ambition at this club, no wonder nobody wants to come here, any decent manager will ask, what money is available for transfers, we all know the answer NONE, bye. dont forget that one, get your season tickets early, the more we sell, the more funds are available for the transfer market, just ask Sam Allardyce how much he got in 8 years think big, spend small, allways been the same, never changed, never will until its to late, listen to the fans.
MarkHatton88, Brighton says...
5:21pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I agree that some aspects of our club have become way too commercial espec the cheerleaders??? why do we need these?? But at a time of a so called 'crisis' i think the players and the manager need the fans to get behind the team. And people like BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, shut your pie mouth...people like you shouting your mouth about every bad thing about our club is not going to help the situation...we need the fans in the stadium getting stuck in to the team because when they walk out of the tunnel and see 17,000 people and nearly 10,000 empty seats then thats not exactly the greatest motivation in the world!
MarkHatton88, Brighton says...
5:21pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I agree that some aspects of our club have become way too commercial espec the cheerleaders??? why do we need these?? But at a time of a so called 'crisis' i think the players and the manager need the fans to get behind the team. And people like BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, shut your pie mouth...people like you shouting your mouth about every bad thing about our club is not going to help the situation...we need the fans in the stadium getting stuck in to the team because when they walk out of the tunnel and see 17,000 people and nearly 10,000 empty seats then thats not exactly the greatest motivation in the world!
Only one Andy Walker, London says...
5:25pm Wed 14 Nov 07
WHAT A BORE HOME MATCH EXPERIENCE!
DRIVE TO GAME IN CAR SO CAN'T HAVE A BEER WITH THE LADS. PARK UP. IN GROUND A FEW MINS BEFORE KICK OFF, dON'T SEE ANYBODY I KNOW AT TE GROUND BECAUSE THEY ARE IN SEATS ALL OVER THE GROUND. SEE CHEERLEADERS AND FLAG WAVERS TRYING TO CREATE ATMOSPHERE. SAT NEXT TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T SING OR GET PASSIONATE ABOUT THE FOOTBALL. TOLD TO SIT DOWN BY PEOPLE BEHIND ME.
BRING BACK TERRACES AND A GROUND IN THE TOWN CENTRE PLEASE. BRING BACK THE BANTER ON THE TERRACES.
DRIVE TO GAME IN CAR SO CAN'T HAVE A BEER WITH THE LADS. PARK UP. IN GROUND A FEW MINS BEFORE KICK OFF, dON'T SEE ANYBODY I KNOW AT TE GROUND BECAUSE THEY ARE IN SEATS ALL OVER THE GROUND. SEE CHEERLEADERS AND FLAG WAVERS TRYING TO CREATE ATMOSPHERE. SAT NEXT TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T SING OR GET PASSIONATE ABOUT THE FOOTBALL. TOLD TO SIT DOWN BY PEOPLE BEHIND ME.
BRING BACK TERRACES AND A GROUND IN THE TOWN CENTRE PLEASE. BRING BACK THE BANTER ON THE TERRACES.
Den, Leigh says...
5:33pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon wrote:Jon, do you want me to draw a picture??
wrothy wrote: jon you idiot crawl back up pgs backside you muppet,were being ripped off every which way you look at itOh how intelligent. Nobody has yet told me how we are "being ripped off". I think petrol is a rip off. But I don't sit on a website whinging about it, and if I really wanted to do something about it I'd do something constructive, like write to my MP or directly to an oil company. Why don't you email the club with some sensible, non-aggressive points. They usually reply if you aren't rude. See what they say. There are usually reasons for things being the way they are. If you can't manage writing a letter, then ask your mum for some help eh?
Ripped off = Paying for goods or services that arent worth the money you pay for them! Football is no exception.
Now this covers a widespread array of goods services, such as onpitch entertainment value/effort, price of a hotdog, price of a ticket for 90 minutes entertainment and on and on.....
If you bought a cinema ticket and there was lines all across the screen whilst the movie was playing you would complain?
Football shouldn't be exempt from such value for money consumerism.
Write a letter? are you serious? MP's are quite evidently self serving millionaires bent on improving their own stock - fact!
The many comparisons to Football chairmen and MP's are valid ones.
I will be there against Man U...but that wont stop me from voicing my own opinions on the cost of the whole afternoon....and yes i can easily afford it.....
There has been a lot of good logical common sense ideas posted on here regarding ticketing and making the reebok more attractive, but am afraid your ideas are bordering on the ridiculous.
REMEMBER this thread was aimed at the reasons for STAY AWAY FANS....not the price of petrol!
Den, Leigh says...
5:39pm Wed 14 Nov 07
MarkHatton88 wrote:Isnt 30K a week great motivation? It would be for me...You have to remember what this thread is about - stay away fans...therefore is bound to generate a load of opinions, some valid some ridiculous.
I agree that some aspects of our club have become way too commercial espec the cheerleaders??? why do we need these?? But at a time of a so called 'crisis' i think the players and the manager need the fans to get behind the team. And people like BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, shut your pie mouth...people like you shouting your mouth about every bad thing about our club is not going to help the situation...we need the fans in the stadium getting stuck in to the team because when they walk out of the tunnel and see 17,000 people and nearly 10,000 empty seats then thats not exactly the greatest motivation in the world!
Dont forget on certain away games there are only a few hundred of us? I STILL EXPECT EVERY PLAY TO BE 110% focused and motivated to do is very best for the BWFC shirt!
I will be shouting (once i get my voice back from Munich) against Man Ure for our team...even if others around me....BUT am not sure if my shouting motivates the team? Collectively i kinda hope so.....
I THINK MOST FANS ARE BEHIND THE TEAM, BUT ANYONE UNDER-PERFORMING FOR BWFC SHOULD NOT BE EXEMPT FROM CRITICISM
Den, Leigh says...
5:40pm Wed 14 Nov 07
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kigbillspacked, bolton says...
5:46pm Wed 14 Nov 07
while on one hand i agree with what most people are saying..i.e. prices, location of ground, atmosphere etc..if you look back in history at our crowds they have always been **** when things are going bad, no matter what the price. when we were ridding high at the top of the first division {championship} under todd flowing football etc, we got 13000 at home against southend. i remember at the time thinking JESUS what do the people of bolton want.and it seems to me, : unfortunately, it will always be thus. big town. apathetic fan base.
trottersforever, bolton says...
5:49pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon stated earlier...They do offer discounted parking with a season ticket.
They do not do discounted parking with a season ticket.....you can buy a parking season ticket for which you pay the same amount as anyone else for all the home prem league matches but it allows you to park free for cup matches, so if we didn't have any home fixtures in the cup competitions it wouldn't work out any cheaper.
They do not do discounted parking with a season ticket.....you can buy a parking season ticket for which you pay the same amount as anyone else for all the home prem league matches but it allows you to park free for cup matches, so if we didn't have any home fixtures in the cup competitions it wouldn't work out any cheaper.
trottersforever, bolton says...
5:52pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I also emailed the club, and i didn't get a reply either
Only one Andy Walker, London says...
6:04pm Wed 14 Nov 07
kigbillspacked wrote:yEAH I THOUGHT THE SAME AT THE TIME.
while on one hand i agree with what most people are saying..i.e. prices, location of ground, atmosphere etc..if you look back in history at our crowds they have always been **** when things are going bad, no matter what the price. when we were ridding high at the top of the first division {championship} under todd flowing football etc, we got 13000 at home against southend. i remember at the time thinking JESUS what do the people of bolton want.and it seems to me, : unfortunately, it will always be thus. big town. apathetic fan base.
bOLTON FANS ARE CHEAPSKATES. JUST LOOK AT ALL THE 1 POUND SHOPS IN THE TOWN CENTRE.
PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. FREEBIES.
PEOPLE ARE POOR THOUGH!!!!
AVERAGE WAGE IS PROBABLY £12,000 PER YEAR. THE PLAYERS GET DOUBLE THAT IN A WEEK
fOR BOLTON TO GET BIG GATES AGAIN THE TOWN NEEDS TO GET RICHER BY GETTING BIG BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN TO PROVIDE GOOD QUALITY JOBS, WHICH PAY WELL. NOT MORE POOR RETAIL JOBS.
£500 4 SEASON TICKET WILL NOT SEEM TOO MUCH MONEY IF YOU HAD BETTER WAGES.
FOR A BIG TOWN 265000 PEOPLE WE GET POOR GATES.
question IF WE HAD A TEAM FULL OF BOLTON BORN PLAYERS ON SAY £30,000 A YEAR AND IT WAS A FIVER TO GET IN, WOULD WE GET BIGGER GATES?
Brownie, Bolton says...
6:23pm Wed 14 Nov 07
As far as the supporters are concerned, things have not been right for at least the last two seasons. When Sam Allardyce first took over, we struggled to get into the Premiership and then to keep our place there, but they were exciting times. We had never been to Wembley and Cardiff so frequently in present memory! Famous foreign players came into our team - players like Bruno N'Gotty,Fredi Bobic, Youri Djorkaeff and Jay-Jay Okocha we played exciting football and we got into Europe for the first time. However, then it began to turn sour. The comparatively cheap foreign talent dried up, as more clubs became aware of the market and Sam's pitiful budget was spread thinner and thinner.His game plans became more and more defensive and he relied increasingly on keeping clean sheets in the hope that a player could snatch a goal in a breakaway. Supporters will agree to watching this for a while, but not for two seasons. We began to go home after watching a draw or 1-0 win feeling that we had lost. Last January, Phil Gartside(as reported in the BEN)said that £20,000,000 would be available to Big Sam in the summer- when he heard at the end of the season what he actually was being given he left. And who can blame him? If the owner and Board had had a little more courage and foresight, Bolton could have had a place in the Champions League. For a ha'pennyworth of tar they let the ship of success sink and now we are lying on the sea bed of failure and desperation.
Another crucial cause of the decline in attendances is the constant changes in times and days of kick-offs. Time for football matches is 3pm on Saturday. Television is ruining the game and if the powers that be want full stadiums they must start games at the convenience of the supporters not visa-versa.
Another crucial cause of the decline in attendances is the constant changes in times and days of kick-offs. Time for football matches is 3pm on Saturday. Television is ruining the game and if the powers that be want full stadiums they must start games at the convenience of the supporters not visa-versa.
chiphill spud, nottingham says...
6:49pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jon bolton on I would love to meet you so you can educate me on the cost of football cause in this country its a rip off. You can watch hertha berlin play in the olimpic stadium for 10 euros so why if they are not ripping the fans off do we pay £25 ish to watch our football. Oh and by the way the price of beer there is 3 euros.
kigbillspacked, bolton says...
6:57pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Only one Andy Walker wrote:yeah, but my point is when it were'nt very expensive to get in we still could'nt pull the big crowds except when we played the big teams. i understand the money aspect of it all to well.
kigbillspacked wrote:yEAH I THOUGHT THE SAME AT THE TIME.
while on one hand i agree with what most people are saying..i.e. prices, location of ground, atmosphere etc..if you look back in history at our crowds they have always been **** when things are going bad, no matter what the price. when we were ridding high at the top of the first division {championship} under todd flowing football etc, we got 13000 at home against southend. i remember at the time thinking JESUS what do the people of bolton want.and it seems to me, : unfortunately, it will always be thus. big town. apathetic fan base.
bOLTON FANS ARE CHEAPSKATES. JUST LOOK AT ALL THE 1 POUND SHOPS IN THE TOWN CENTRE.
PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. FREEBIES.
PEOPLE ARE POOR THOUGH!!!!
AVERAGE WAGE IS PROBABLY £12,000 PER YEAR. THE PLAYERS GET DOUBLE THAT IN A WEEK
fOR BOLTON TO GET BIG GATES AGAIN THE TOWN NEEDS TO GET RICHER BY GETTING BIG BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN TO PROVIDE GOOD QUALITY JOBS, WHICH PAY WELL. NOT MORE POOR RETAIL JOBS.
£500 4 SEASON TICKET WILL NOT SEEM TOO MUCH MONEY IF YOU HAD BETTER WAGES.
FOR A BIG TOWN 265000 PEOPLE WE GET POOR GATES.
question IF WE HAD A TEAM FULL OF BOLTON BORN PLAYERS ON SAY £30,000 A YEAR AND IT WAS A FIVER TO GET IN, WOULD WE GET BIGGER GATES?
im just putting another reason over that's all.
REAP WHAT U SO, Bradley Fold says...
7:03pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I am surprised that Commercial Director Gareth Moores cannot see the obvious reasons why our gates are down at the Reebok. I have seen the writing on the wall for some time and I am a mere supporter.Going back to December 2006 and I think we were third from the top and had obviously over achieved despite the history of the financial restraints placed on Allardyce by Gartside and our benefactor ( who incidentally does not plough money into the club but simply guarantees the debt).The January transfer window gave the club the opportunity to show their ambition but once again they blew it. Exit Allardyce and then the cheap option Lee. Then we had loads of cheap signings whilst other clubs somehow found money to invest in top quality players.Then when Lee went we appointed Megson another cheap option. Have you noticed how many times the word `cheap` is used!!Finally, the club have seen that supporters have a choice and all the other negative factors about the Reebok ie. cost,travel, half time drinks,wet and wind Horwich become bigger problems. Add to that the poor performances and I am gobsmacked that at £25+ they think that fans should attend out of sheer blind loyalty.It always amuses me how Gartside and our benefactor are always crying poverty and yet they think the fans should waste their money on utter garbage.
Jacko, Little Lever says...
7:08pm Wed 14 Nov 07
mark hatton,can you please tell me why a footballer earning a fortune for doing something they love needs motivating?.Does £20-£30k a week not motivate them?.Mancs at home next with there cockney fans standing up all match,without bouncers telling them to sit down!!.BWFC do you still think 21 points by xmas?,ps glad to see its not just me that thinks Jon is a ****.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
7:11pm Wed 14 Nov 07
MarkHatton88 wrote:listen to you, you one dimensional pratt!!! you obviously havent been on this forum very long otherwise you would realise that i have backed bwfc, its chairman, sammy lee and all their decisions they have made over the last 12mths!!!! i took abuse left right and centre fighting for this club and telling people to shut their mouths and give it time to come good.... then you realise and begin to fully understand the full extent of what is going on at the reebok. i am 31, ive had a season ticket nearly every year since i was 7 or 8 and travelled to some real cow sheds during that time. i will watch my team through thick and thin and throughout any division we end up playing in. yes i shout my mouth off when we are constantly lied to, left in the dark about whats going on, treated like 5h1t3 and ripped off by our club, but i also balance that out and give plenty of credit when credit is due.. so what exactly do you mean when you say people like bwfc-til-i-die???!!! the money i have spent following my team over 20 years, ive got full right to voice my feelings!! So before you comment, know what your commenting on or do us a favour ... dont bother!!!!
I agree that some aspects of our club have become way too commercial espec the cheerleaders??? why do we need these?? But at a time of a so called 'crisis' i think the players and the manager need the fans to get behind the team. And people like BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, shut your pie mouth...people like you shouting your mouth about every bad thing about our club is not going to help the situation...we need the fans in the stadium getting stuck in to the team because when they walk out of the tunnel and see 17,000 people and nearly 10,000 empty seats then thats not exactly the greatest motivation in the world!
hatemanu, bolton says...
7:11pm Wed 14 Nov 07
The sad thing is , is that we never had a solid fan base ever . There is a hardcore fan base of about 13000 , who will be there no matter what . Its easy to say its to dear , but im sure there is alot of people who wouldnot pay £ 10 a ticket any more . Totally agree though tv is killing it . Fans would stay in the pub , rather than pay for a ticket . They should charge £20 extra on season ticket and say every season ticket holder get in free for cup games . It seem like a chore at the moment going to the match , no excitement and thats totally wrong when we have players like anelka and diouf . Im sure if we played 2 strikers and no the constant long ball game people would get more excited . It seems the sky money is more important than entertaining the fans .
hatemanu, bolton says...
7:30pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Shogun wrote:Agree totally pal ,they have to do more to make the match experince feel more worth while . A few beer tents round the ground , or even a surporters club in exibition center , where season ticket holders can drink together and sing a few songs .before and after match . Sell that german beer and i would bet my morgage there would be a better atmosphere . Buying beer in the ground that as been poured for a hour and you have to wait half hour ,upsets everybody .
PG SA and GM are all easy scapegoats, as are the head steward and so on. These are people just doing their jobs. Society has changed since the days when forms of anti-social behaviour was deemed acceptable for the sake of humour and having a good time. I loved seeing my father and his mates drunk, cracking jokes, on tour across the country, and it felt great being apart of that community that congregated every match day without any boundaries. This hasn't made me use vulgar language excessively, become an alcoholic or become an hooligan in my adulthood. If you want to point the finger point it at those lunatic left wing bigots that are so leftwing they're actually rightwing that have passed law after law on issues that may seem to just affect society but actually have had an affect on the football. Football reflects society, the more laws that are passed the more the people are controlled and right now in this overly liberal state we are told to sit in a certain place, drink in a certain area, eat to your right, and smoke over there all in the name of health and safety. Oh and you cannot sing that song because it might offend the blogg family over in the corporate seats. Rules mean discipline, disciplined people walk in a straight line. This is not entertaining, which is why crowds have dwindled. So why have Arsenal/Man utd crowds risen? Because a large proportion of people who go to those games are the type of people who started following football after the taylor report, when sky sports made it more of a circus than an actual social activity. I've never spoken to people in a cinema, circus and so on, yet at football we would congregate, share moments together, before and after the match we would socialise together. Now its drive to the reebok, 5min before game we're in, half time go to the toilets that are full of smoke now, after the match come out, in car, home, watch sky sports. The experience has changed, want people to come back? Be more dynamic and unique PG, introduce a dedicated section of the stadium thats for adults and likeminded individuals only. Use the exibition facilities on matchdays for the real fans not the prawn sandwich brigade. Have live music events after the match where people can congregate on the pitch (with adequate pitch coverings) and beer tents setup on the pitch. Bringing it back to its roots is whats needed. Grow some balls PG and be unique.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
7:33pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Jacko wrote:i still have total confidence that we can get out of the mire... I can see us on 15 pts by xmas and see us finishing on about 42-44pts this season looking at the fixtures. i actually think the bottom three in this years prem will struggle to get beyond the 36pts mark.
mark hatton,can you please tell me why a footballer earning a fortune for doing something they love needs motivating?.Does £20-£30k a week not motivate them?.Mancs at home next with there cockney fans standing up all match,without bouncers telling them to sit down!!.BWFC do you still think 21 points by xmas?,ps glad to see its not just me that thinks Jon is a ****.
middlesborough
Sunderland
wigan
Derby
3 of the 4 above, for me are going down...
ps.. jon is entertaining to say the least!!!! wot a n*b
andy stott, says...
7:34pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Julie Moores wrote:Julie
A decent Manager who can play our best 11 players in their proper positions would help.
Are you suggesting ginger doesnt know what he is doing how very dare you
andy stott, says...
7:49pm Wed 14 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:wish i could share your confidence right now i think i will have more points on my licence than Bolton come xmas
Jacko wrote: mark hatton,can you please tell me why a footballer earning a fortune for doing something they love needs motivating?.Does £20-£30k a week not motivate them?.Mancs at home next with there cockney fans standing up all match,without bouncers telling them to sit down!!.BWFC do you still think 21 points by xmas?,ps glad to see its not just me that thinks Jon is a ****.i still have total confidence that we can get out of the mire... I can see us on 15 pts by xmas and see us finishing on about 42-44pts this season looking at the fixtures. i actually think the bottom three in this years prem will struggle to get beyond the 36pts mark. middlesborough Sunderland wigan Derby 3 of the 4 above, for me are going down... ps.. jon is entertaining to say the least!!!! wot a n*b
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
7:51pm Wed 14 Nov 07
well, at least you wont have to worry about the parking costs on matchday then.. bus passes are quite cheap i believe...
Rob, Worsley says...
7:53pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Gareth Moores on about falling attenances. He can be assured if more tripe is dished out like last Sunday by Megson not picking the right players to play in the right positions. Then I can see more loyal fans staying away.As for getting money for new players when the window opens I would not hold my breath. I am sure I am not the only BWFC season ticket holder who will be keeping their fingers crossed.At least we can hope the board read some of these comments.COME ON YOU WHITES.
Brownie, Bolton says...
7:53pm Wed 14 Nov 07
When the stadium first opened, the supporters club asked for a room where the fans could meet before the game and where we could welcome away fans with some hospitality like other clubs do, but we never got it. The Premier Suite sounds a good idea, but most likely it would not be available due to some commercial enterprise taking place. The hotel is open before the match, but season tickets have to be shown to get in and wearing"colours "isn't encouraged.
White Lightening, Bolton says...
7:58pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I think what got most of the older generation (40+) interested in football is no longer there. We wanted to be part of a like minded group who were passionate about our club and wanted to show it so we went in the Burnden paddock. If you just wanted to watch football you went in the seats.
I want to be able to sing and shout my support for the Wanderers without being threatened with eviction or being sneered at by "fellow" fans. Until the powers that be create an area that permits this I'm more likely to be found at away games like Blackburn, Guimaraes or Munich than I am at the Reebok.
I want to be able to sing and shout my support for the Wanderers without being threatened with eviction or being sneered at by "fellow" fans. Until the powers that be create an area that permits this I'm more likely to be found at away games like Blackburn, Guimaraes or Munich than I am at the Reebok.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
8:12pm Wed 14 Nov 07
has anybody noticed gartside has missed the last 2 home games? i cant remember any game he's missed before this...staying away wont help the team though...we need to fill the reebok but too many people aren't prepared to back the team.
andy stott, says...
8:24pm Wed 14 Nov 07
bwfc_1210 wrote:now you mention there has been quite a large gap where Mr gartside sits Maybe he was getting xmas presents for his two xsammys
has anybody noticed gartside has missed the last 2 home games? i cant remember any game he's missed before this...staying away wont help the team though...we need to fill the reebok but too many people aren't prepared to back the team.
truss, tyldesley says...
8:33pm Wed 14 Nov 07
More fool the ones who no longer go to the Reebok. Every game is like a Cup Final. There has never been so much to moan about and never more material for for us would be managers to get our teeth into, be it team selection, tactics, pie problems, managerial appointments, or whatever. I have not enjoyed a season more since the one culminating our elevation at the Milleneium Stadium to 'the best league in the world'. And my ticket for this season is at a 10% discount!
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
8:38pm Wed 14 Nov 07
chiphill spud wrote:Ajax - most expensive ticket 18euros (12.50GBP), beer 3 euros, match-day programme free, something like a hot-dog 1.50 euros. Ajax is one of the most richest clubs in Europe - how can they do it so cheap and we can't????
Jon bolton on I would love to meet you so you can educate me on the cost of football cause in this country its a rip off. You can watch hertha berlin play in the olimpic stadium for 10 euros so why if they are not ripping the fans off do we pay £25 ish to watch our football. Oh and by the way the price of beer there is 3 euros.
It is true about football and TV as the same happens here in Netherlands - but for me going to the Sports Cafe in Leidseplein (Amsterdam) and watch 4 Premiership matches at the same time above the bar plus other football, now that is pure Nirvana and I don't even spend as much as I would when I go to see Bolton when I am in the UK!!!!!!!
It is another case of Rip-off UK and where the Directors can only see pound signs rather than seeing the whole picture and do not appreciate the fan base - hence crashing attendances, and them worrying about their profits and pockets!!!
Chris Baron, Bolton says...
8:38pm Wed 14 Nov 07
What inspires fans to buy tickets? , Quality players coming in , a decent manager to believe , decent football to watch and a board who repects the paying fan. Well , we have had none of those things this year and what happens , we drop like a stone in terms of attendences. As for the Boro game , i went because i bought a season ticket. It was truely awfull to watch so i say those staying away are justified in not going. I do think though that our supporters are still very upset and annoyed by the antics of Gartside , in what he said in summer about Big Sam (Best manger we have ever had) , the appointment of Sammy Lee? , WHY not advertise the job properly in summer and the signings have been woefull apart from Andy O'Brien. As for Anelka , Diouf and Jussi , most of us think all 3 will leave in January and that no money will be spent to replace them. As for Mr Moores coming out with , we want regular european football , you must be having a laugh my friend. The lack of quality in the squad is there for all to see. We will never get into Europe again and will be lucky to stay in the Prem.
Chris Baron, Bolton says...
8:41pm Wed 14 Nov 07
What inspires fans to buy tickets? , Quality players coming in , a decent manager to believe , decent football to watch and a board who repects the paying fan. Well , we have had none of those things this year and what happens , we drop like a stone in terms of attendences. As for the Boro game , i went because i bought a season ticket. It was truely awfull to watch so i say those staying away are justified in not going. I do think though that our supporters are still very upset and annoyed by the antics of Gartside , in what he said in summer about Big Sam (Best manger we have ever had) , the appointment of Sammy Lee? , WHY not advertise the job properly in summer and the signings have been woefull apart from Andy O'Brien. As for Anelka , Diouf and Jussi , most of us think all 3 will leave in January and that no money will be spent to replace them. As for Mr Moores coming out with , we want regular european football , you must be having a laugh my friend. The lack of quality in the squad is there for all to see. We will never get into Europe again and will be lucky to stay in the Prem.
Peter, Smithills says...
8:48pm Wed 14 Nov 07
http://uk.youtube.co
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An idea is St Paulis. If a small German div 2 outfit that can beat Bayern Munich 2-1 in the german FA cup with a massive fan base BWFC can do it too. Fantastic atmosphere with real community engagement
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An idea is St Paulis. If a small German div 2 outfit that can beat Bayern Munich 2-1 in the german FA cup with a massive fan base BWFC can do it too. Fantastic atmosphere with real community engagement
Peter, Smithills says...
8:55pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Chris Baron wrote:Oh and they give discounts for singing season ticket holders!
What inspires fans to buy tickets? , Quality players coming in , a decent manager to believe , decent football to watch and a board who repects the paying fan. Well , we have had none of those things this year and what happens , we drop like a stone in terms of attendences. As for the Boro game , i went because i bought a season ticket. It was truely awfull to watch so i say those staying away are justified in not going. I do think though that our supporters are still very upset and annoyed by the antics of Gartside , in what he said in summer about Big Sam (Best manger we have ever had) , the appointment of Sammy Lee? , WHY not advertise the job properly in summer and the signings have been woefull apart from Andy O'Brien. As for Anelka , Diouf and Jussi , most of us think all 3 will leave in January and that no money will be spent to replace them. As for Mr Moores coming out with , we want regular european football , you must be having a laugh my friend. The lack of quality in the squad is there for all to see. We will never get into Europe again and will be lucky to stay in the Prem.
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
8:57pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Any chance us fans can buy the club like the fans did with that club yesterday!
Things would soon change!
Things would soon change!
unhappy wanderer, BOLTON says...
9:13pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I believe there are manifold socio-economic indicators which are in close juxtaposition, collectively ensuring the current decline in the fortunes of BWFC. In particular, I would cite the following factors as being of critical relevance here :-
1.) Phil Istine Gartside (PIG) is a cr4p chairman. He has alienated fans with his rather furtive approach to the dissemination of information or misinformation to the club's followers.Moreover he has presided over a draconian fiscal policy which has ensured a decline in the quality of footballers at the club.
2.) The resultant dilution in the quality of football has weakened the appeal of the club's product with a concomitant reduction in consumer interest.
3.) The Reebok Stadium is logistically misplaced in relation to the traditional fan base of Bolton wanderers and suffers severely as a result of congestion and inaccessibility on match days.
4.) The Reebok Stadium itself is devoid of any readily identifible characteristics reminiscent of the much lamented spiritual home of Bolton Wanderers, Burnden Park. Most of the older fan base of the club yearn for the long lost atmosphere of Burnden and would readily sell the reebok tomorrow to return to the old place, terraces, brick bogs, burger van and all.
5.) In relative terms, the club has all the appearances of declining in fortunes. The most optimistic expectations of fans are for survival in the Premiership rather than achieving the right to European competition. This inevitably promotes a sense of worthlessness/ helplessness reflected in the falling gates.
6.) The general perception is that the club has benefitted hugely from investment by Sky television, yet little of the resultant revenue has been utilised in improving the quality of the team. The club cannot "have it's cake and eat" has become a cogent sentiment amongst many fans who choose to view football on Sky rather than attend games with the resultant hassle.
7.) The pies and beer are cr4p and totally over priced.
8.) The average earning fan on £24,000 pa has become hostile towards footballers earning twice that per week in many cases and are no longer prepared to "feed the monster".
1.) Phil Istine Gartside (PIG) is a cr4p chairman. He has alienated fans with his rather furtive approach to the dissemination of information or misinformation to the club's followers.Moreover he has presided over a draconian fiscal policy which has ensured a decline in the quality of footballers at the club.
2.) The resultant dilution in the quality of football has weakened the appeal of the club's product with a concomitant reduction in consumer interest.
3.) The Reebok Stadium is logistically misplaced in relation to the traditional fan base of Bolton wanderers and suffers severely as a result of congestion and inaccessibility on match days.
4.) The Reebok Stadium itself is devoid of any readily identifible characteristics reminiscent of the much lamented spiritual home of Bolton Wanderers, Burnden Park. Most of the older fan base of the club yearn for the long lost atmosphere of Burnden and would readily sell the reebok tomorrow to return to the old place, terraces, brick bogs, burger van and all.
5.) In relative terms, the club has all the appearances of declining in fortunes. The most optimistic expectations of fans are for survival in the Premiership rather than achieving the right to European competition. This inevitably promotes a sense of worthlessness/ helplessness reflected in the falling gates.
6.) The general perception is that the club has benefitted hugely from investment by Sky television, yet little of the resultant revenue has been utilised in improving the quality of the team. The club cannot "have it's cake and eat" has become a cogent sentiment amongst many fans who choose to view football on Sky rather than attend games with the resultant hassle.
7.) The pies and beer are cr4p and totally over priced.
8.) The average earning fan on £24,000 pa has become hostile towards footballers earning twice that per week in many cases and are no longer prepared to "feed the monster".
Tim, Bradshaw says...
9:24pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Of course, price is a factor. And performances on the pitch. But I think we are now seeing the cumulative effect of 10 years of being treated with contempt, which has ground people down to the extent that they are saying "Enough!".
The way the club regards its "customers" is summed up for me by the stadium advertising. I cannot think of another entertainment industry which has such a disregard for the customer experience, that they spend the entire time trying to distract the customers attention from what they have paid to see. Those of us unfortunate enough to sit in the West Stand this season, now have the dreadful moving LED perimeter advertising, to add to a big screen in the corner which now shows adverts while play is in progress! Perhaps it's my age, but I have to make a conscious effort not to allow myself to be distracted, and keep my attention focussed on the pitch.
It might seem a trivial issue to some, but for me it sums up what they think of us. We're not supporters, to be made to feel important and welcome. We're suckers to be fleeced for as much as they can get.
The way the club regards its "customers" is summed up for me by the stadium advertising. I cannot think of another entertainment industry which has such a disregard for the customer experience, that they spend the entire time trying to distract the customers attention from what they have paid to see. Those of us unfortunate enough to sit in the West Stand this season, now have the dreadful moving LED perimeter advertising, to add to a big screen in the corner which now shows adverts while play is in progress! Perhaps it's my age, but I have to make a conscious effort not to allow myself to be distracted, and keep my attention focussed on the pitch.
It might seem a trivial issue to some, but for me it sums up what they think of us. We're not supporters, to be made to feel important and welcome. We're suckers to be fleeced for as much as they can get.
breightmet wanderer, breightmet says...
9:45pm Wed 14 Nov 07
I can no long call myself a fan, as I can`t be bothered treking how many miles it is to the Reebok. However I served my apprenticeship in the old 2nd,3rd and 4th divisions, and would likew to have a whinge! The Wanderers are punching above their weight with the resources we have got, and have been a credit to the club and town. It has been a great time recently, top half of the Premiership in recent years, UEFA cup -Bayern Munich away ! Unthinkable, coming home from Chester after an awful league cup tie in 198? or was it early 90s ? Who cares, we threw away a 3-0 first leg lead to lose on penalties! I don`t remember us scoring one penalty ? Somebody might correct me !
Anyway my point is, if, (and I sincerely hope we do not) go down, will the move to the Reebok prove to be a disaster?
Championship football in a less than half empty ground?
In my opinion we should never have left the Burnden or town centre area? Funding? Other clubs have stayed at their original site or at least in the town! And we most definitely should not have fiddled about with the clubs badge! Bring back the elephant and castle on a Lancs rose !
Born to be a Wanderer (Townleys '58)
Anyway my point is, if, (and I sincerely hope we do not) go down, will the move to the Reebok prove to be a disaster?
Championship football in a less than half empty ground?
In my opinion we should never have left the Burnden or town centre area? Funding? Other clubs have stayed at their original site or at least in the town! And we most definitely should not have fiddled about with the clubs badge! Bring back the elephant and castle on a Lancs rose !
Born to be a Wanderer (Townleys '58)
lord kangana, Bolton says...
9:51pm Wed 14 Nov 07
"We're suckers to be fleeced for as much as they can get."
Amen to that....
The sooner Gartside shows his true greasy-pole climbing, money grabbing true self and fecks off to the FA on a permanent basis the better.
£333,000?? FOR WHAT PLEASE SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME?? And god knows what Duckworth does for his near half million.
Heres an idea for the board:-
resign, boys, use your wages to subsidise ticket-price reductions, and see how the ground fill up.
That is if you TRULY care for the club like you say you do.
Amen to that....
The sooner Gartside shows his true greasy-pole climbing, money grabbing true self and fecks off to the FA on a permanent basis the better.
£333,000?? FOR WHAT PLEASE SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME?? And god knows what Duckworth does for his near half million.
Heres an idea for the board:-
resign, boys, use your wages to subsidise ticket-price reductions, and see how the ground fill up.
That is if you TRULY care for the club like you say you do.
ozlife, qld,australia says...
10:45pm Wed 14 Nov 07
seems like a lot of our playing and non playing staff are just overpaid,when fans see how much players/management are getting paid and not producing performances and results,who would want too go and watch football,not a fans game anymore too much money in game and not good enough players all the good ones are at a handfull of clubs with the most money
time for a rethink before sky and the foreign owners pull the plug and the premiership becomes so predictable with three divisions into one need a more level playing field.
come on you whites
need two quick wins to get out of mire
time for a rethink before sky and the foreign owners pull the plug and the premiership becomes so predictable with three divisions into one need a more level playing field.
come on you whites
need two quick wins to get out of mire
Jacko, Little Lever says...
11:19pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Last seaon Sheff Utd went down with 38 points,10 wins & 8 draws!.We took a total of 17 points after xmas last season,gaining 39 before that!.We currently have 8 points with 1 win & 5 draws,so lets say we have 15 points by xmas with 2 more wins & a draw?.January comes we sell our best players & buy no one!,we need 25 points to survive!.The problem is we dont finish the season well,so can anyone see us gaining these points without a goalscorer?.
charnersbwfc, Adlington says...
11:20pm Wed 14 Nov 07
The answer is to reduce ticket prices, the prices are ridiculous. Bring them down to £15 for adults and £10 for kids and we'll get larger gates than at current.
paul, bolton says...
11:31pm Wed 14 Nov 07
Bolton fans feel let down due to lack of investment in the team. PHIL GARTSIDE (Lets have one last season on the cheap)Bolton had the oppotunity to push forward last January. The board have gambled which has back fired big time. I feel most fans have had the same rubbish pushed down there throats and have had enough.
Right said, Stockport says...
1:11am Thu 15 Nov 07
I have been a Bolton supporter for 35 years ,I have watched them in the old 4th division. I am sick to death of Gartside , I will not go to another game till the W***** as gone! He as made us a laugthing stock! So Gartside listen to the fans and f*** off!
the sandman, bolton says...
2:21am Thu 15 Nov 07
what ever happened to the 12th man ?? thats the supporters !!! many a thing said is true , bad chairman , average manager , team that has over achieved - but here is the truth from a guy who views all these comments as a bolton supporter !!!! whinge at the end of the season . cos the team needs support like never before , we have rode on the crest of a wave for a longtime , thats gone , you are the backbone despite the contempt you are treated with sometimes - BE WHITE , BE PROUD , and oust the chairman when the season is over if we fail in our quest for premoiership status , keep smiling !!!!
WHICKO, bolton says...
8:34am Thu 15 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL I DIE Inote your cmments re teams to go down, whilst i agree Derby are doomed, Wigan with Dave Whelans cash & a new decent manager will survive,Sunderland with Niall Quinns cash and Keanos fighting spirit will also survive,Boro again can throw millions of Steve Gibsons money at the problem which doesn't bode well for the Wanderers, rather than criticising Phil Gartside and the board,the entrance fees,the price of the pies the stewards etc.etc. get behind your club or there is only one place where they will end up.
REAP WHAT U SO, Bradley Fold says...
8:51am Thu 15 Nov 07
The really good news is that our next game is against MAN UTD.Ronaldo will have told new recruits like Nani and Anderson to look forward to the game and ENJOY.Tevez already knows about our defence so will cruise through the game. I wonder who will play in the full back positions. Cid, McCann, Bob Marley, Sorry Gardner or possibly Sinclair.It just shows how well we have invested in our squad!!!
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
9:34am Thu 15 Nov 07
WHICKO wrote:Whicko - the point is we are all backing the team to try to survive in the Premiership. The problem is the board.
BWFC-TIL I DIE Inote your cmments re teams to go down, whilst i agree Derby are doomed, Wigan with Dave Whelans cash & a new decent manager will survive,Sunderland with Niall Quinns cash and Keanos fighting spirit will also survive,Boro again can throw millions of Steve Gibsons money at the problem which doesn't bode well for the Wanderers, rather than criticising Phil Gartside and the board,the entrance fees,the price of the pies the stewards etc.etc. get behind your club or there is only one place where they will end up.
The only way to get the board to notice and recognise what the fans are saying is by hurting them where it hurts the most - in their pockets. No-shows = less revenue = less profit = less bonuses for the board. Sure it hurts the team, that is a short term pain for the long-term future, and hopefully, success not only of the team but also as Bolton Wanderers as a whole.
Bring back the Coat of Arms badge - It's the "Positive" Future!!! - have pride in the team and the town!
Chris Manning, TW says...
9:44am Thu 15 Nov 07
Below-average wasters like Nicky Hunt going round town bragging about his £26k a week contract turns my stomach.
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
9:54am Thu 15 Nov 07
A quote from harry redknapp from sky sports re the next england manager
"With the greatest of respect, the likes of Phil Gartside, Dave Richards and David Sheepshanks have not always got it right when selecting a new manager for their clubs. So why should we trust them to appoint the new England boss?"
says it all i guess.
"With the greatest of respect, the likes of Phil Gartside, Dave Richards and David Sheepshanks have not always got it right when selecting a new manager for their clubs. So why should we trust them to appoint the new England boss?"
says it all i guess.
Chris Manning, TW says...
9:56am Thu 15 Nov 07
gazz_ball - Supera Moras! wrote:I wouldn't trust Gartside to pick a tie out to go with a suit.
A quote from harry redknapp from sky sports re the next england manager "With the greatest of respect, the likes of Phil Gartside, Dave Richards and David Sheepshanks have not always got it right when selecting a new manager for their clubs. So why should we trust them to appoint the new England boss?" says it all i guess.
heyesy19, bolton says...
10:00am Thu 15 Nov 07
Joe wrote:what the **** are you on about joe. ticket prices are bang on. the problem lies with gartside he is an arrogant **** who cannot see past his own nose, he says to himself"bloody ell what does want".......well phill we want to keep our top manager, keep anelka, keep diouf and jussi, to do that we need to add more quality signings, stregnth in depth, he also thinks "well they`ve had a few good years, still they want more"... of course we do phill, as does nic, el hadj, jussi and big sam, thats why he **** off and left,. davies is tight and will not put his neck on the line, borrow money get people like luca toni, if there s a possibility of champs league, or uefa every year, they are selling the club down the river and stripping the club of all its assets, before the new buyer comes in, we are customers and not fans, they see us as scrotes.
How to increase attendances:- 1. Introduce standing areas to create an atmosphere. 2. Improve facilities so that fans can relax before and after the match in warmth and comfort with fairly priced refreshments. This will stop everyone arriving and leaving at the same time and stopping the gridlock. 3. Reduce ticket prices. A 10% reduction is not enough. Price should be £10-£15 The reason's above are why me and a dozen of my mates stopped going. Sort it out and we will return. simple as that.
Batman, TW says...
10:06am Thu 15 Nov 07
heyesy19 wrote:no all of us, just you.
Joe wrote: How to increase attendances:- 1. Introduce standing areas to create an atmosphere. 2. Improve facilities so that fans can relax before and after the match in warmth and comfort with fairly priced refreshments. This will stop everyone arriving and leaving at the same time and stopping the gridlock. 3. Reduce ticket prices. A 10% reduction is not enough. Price should be £10-£15 The reason's above are why me and a dozen of my mates stopped going. Sort it out and we will return. simple as that.what the **** are you on about joe. ticket prices are bang on. the problem lies with gartside he is an arrogant **** who cannot see past his own nose, he says to himself"bloody ell what does want".......well phill we want to keep our top manager, keep anelka, keep diouf and jussi, to do that we need to add more quality signings, stregnth in depth, he also thinks "well they`ve had a few good years, still they want more"... of course we do phill, as does nic, el hadj, jussi and big sam, thats why he **** off and left,. davies is tight and will not put his neck on the line, borrow money get people like luca toni, if there s a possibility of champs league, or uefa every year, they are selling the club down the river and stripping the club of all its assets, before the new buyer comes in, we are customers and not fans, they see us as scrotes.
heyesy19, bolton says...
10:07am Thu 15 Nov 07
REAP WHAT U SO wrote:play the same team as you did against munchen gazza meggers and we will draw................
The really good news is that our next game is against MAN UTD.Ronaldo will have told new recruits like Nani and Anderson to look forward to the game and ENJOY.Tevez already knows about our defence so will cruise through the game. I wonder who will play in the full back positions. Cid, McCann, Bob Marley, Sorry Gardner or possibly Sinclair.It just shows how well we have invested in our squad!!!
....................
..............**** me cornflakes
breightmet wanderer, breightmet says...
10:14am Thu 15 Nov 07
LETS START THE CAMPAIGN
GIVE US OUR BADGE BACK
Bolton News PLEASE back us.
Bring back our towns badge !
Now !!!!!!!!!!
Give the fans something they want!
Please post on here, to BEN and
Mr.Gartside and Co etc
GIVE US OUR BADGE BACK
Bolton News PLEASE back us.
Bring back our towns badge !
Now !!!!!!!!!!
Give the fans something they want!
Please post on here, to BEN and
Mr.Gartside and Co etc
heyesy19, bolton says...
10:16am Thu 15 Nov 07
Jon wrote:there is nothing wrong with any ticket prices, the problem is not capitalising on good seasons by bringing in more talent and cover(rightbacks) we have two world stars and really should be looking at getting another two
Jordan wrote:Its ironic that in one breath fans will call for us "spending big" and trying to join the big boys, yet in the other, moan that our club is run as a professional business. Big clubs charge big prices. Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, go see what they charge for their season tickets!There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.Completely agree... i feel like the fun has been taken out of the game because of commercialism and arrogance. The fans have been treated awfully by the club over the last 6 or so years. People might say 'well they have offered reduced tickets' etc etc, but lets face it, they've only done that because the ground isnt selling out. If the stadium was full every week, they wouldnt be offering us anything. in the 97/98 season we struggled the whole season, but we still had a crowd of 25k every week. But at that time, the demographics of the support was changing. Many of the fans that followed the whites at burnden, home and away, no longer go. In the first instance because of the price, in the second instance because we used to stand in the terraces and enjoy banter - but are no longer allowed to, and thirdly because Bolton Wanderers was a FOOTBALL CLUB. Now it is being treated as a business and we are the customers instead of fans. This is our club? You're having a laugh...
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
10:20am Thu 15 Nov 07
Batman wrote:Actually ticket prices are not alright. You tell me any other club in the UK that has such a variation of prices which all depends on the game they are playing - how do they work out which is a A+ game and which is a D game????
heyesy19 wrote:no all of us, just you.Joe wrote: How to increase attendances:- 1. Introduce standing areas to create an atmosphere. 2. Improve facilities so that fans can relax before and after the match in warmth and comfort with fairly priced refreshments. This will stop everyone arriving and leaving at the same time and stopping the gridlock. 3. Reduce ticket prices. A 10% reduction is not enough. Price should be £10-£15 The reason's above are why me and a dozen of my mates stopped going. Sort it out and we will return. simple as that.what the **** are you on about joe. ticket prices are bang on. the problem lies with gartside he is an arrogant **** who cannot see past his own nose, he says to himself"bloody ell what does want".......well phill we want to keep our top manager, keep anelka, keep diouf and jussi, to do that we need to add more quality signings, stregnth in depth, he also thinks "well they`ve had a few good years, still they want more"... of course we do phill, as does nic, el hadj, jussi and big sam, thats why he **** off and left,. davies is tight and will not put his neck on the line, borrow money get people like luca toni, if there s a possibility of champs league, or uefa every year, they are selling the club down the river and stripping the club of all its assets, before the new buyer comes in, we are customers and not fans, they see us as scrotes.
MOst other clubs in the Premiership have ticket prices lower than ours. Only the so-called BIG clubs have ticket prices around the same as ours. We are NOT a big club and as such our ticket prices should reflect that instead of fleecing fans for mediocre play from the so-called top-players. Why are Wigan's Blackburn's and even City's tickets than ours and why do they get bigger crowds than Bolton, at present?????
Fans are being ripped off and they have had enough. Fans have been lied to and they have had enough. The team is playing very poor at moment (not even up to the players own standards) and the fans have had enough. The board do not give a dman about the true fan but only the corporate suits and sponsors - the fans have had enough.
These are the primary reasons as to why fans are staying away - but there are many many more underlining problems as well.
Most importantly the BOARD has to go!!!
Batman, TW says...
10:20am Thu 15 Nov 07
breightmet wanderer wrote:oh aye, bring back the elephant......that'l
LETS START THE CAMPAIGN GIVE US OUR BADGE BACK Bolton News PLEASE back us. Bring back our towns badge ! Now !!!!!!!!!! Give the fans something they want! Please post on here, to BEN and Mr.Gartside and Co etc
l sort the defence out.
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
10:22am Thu 15 Nov 07
heyesy19 wrote:Actually Man U and Liverpool season tickets in a lot of cases are CHEAPER than Bolton's!!!!
Jon wrote:there is nothing wrong with any ticket prices, the problem is not capitalising on good seasons by bringing in more talent and cover(rightbacks) we have two world stars and really should be looking at getting another twoJordan wrote:Its ironic that in one breath fans will call for us "spending big" and trying to join the big boys, yet in the other, moan that our club is run as a professional business. Big clubs charge big prices. Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, go see what they charge for their season tickets!There are many reasons for this, which have been discussed in this forum but one thing that annoys me more than most is the way that the fans or 'customers' as the board like to call us, are treated.Completely agree... i feel like the fun has been taken out of the game because of commercialism and arrogance. The fans have been treated awfully by the club over the last 6 or so years. People might say 'well they have offered reduced tickets' etc etc, but lets face it, they've only done that because the ground isnt selling out. If the stadium was full every week, they wouldnt be offering us anything. in the 97/98 season we struggled the whole season, but we still had a crowd of 25k every week. But at that time, the demographics of the support was changing. Many of the fans that followed the whites at burnden, home and away, no longer go. In the first instance because of the price, in the second instance because we used to stand in the terraces and enjoy banter - but are no longer allowed to, and thirdly because Bolton Wanderers was a FOOTBALL CLUB. Now it is being treated as a business and we are the customers instead of fans. This is our club? You're having a laugh...
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
10:27am Thu 15 Nov 07
Batman wrote:It may not sort out the team but it helps with fans moral and fans support for the team. If they have something on their shirt that they actually believe in then that support does go towards boosting moral both on and off the field. How many true fans actually like the present or the last badge. Many fans would rather see the return of the Coat of Arms!
breightmet wanderer wrote: LETS START THE CAMPAIGN GIVE US OUR BADGE BACK Bolton News PLEASE back us. Bring back our towns badge ! Now !!!!!!!!!! Give the fans something they want! Please post on here, to BEN and Mr.Gartside and Co etcoh aye, bring back the elephant......that'l l sort the defence out.
It would be one step in the right direction in appeasing fans and help to rebuild the reputation of the club which Gartside et al has destroyed.
Daxter, says...
10:46am Thu 15 Nov 07
Funny.
James, Westhoughton says...
10:54am Thu 15 Nov 07
LOVEBOLTONHATGARTSID
E.ORG.UK
The problem is actually with us (the punters)
I see people buying a programme, a beer, a pie at extortinate prices. Hit Gartside where it hurts and the only place he understands - his pocket.
If there was a mass boycott of the club shop, concessions and stuff like that, CONSISTENTLY then things would change. It will take time, granted.
I moved seats after missing a season to near the away end in ESL (from the other end of ESL) and the atmosphere is definately better. Nothing like the old days on Burnden Terrace, but I guess times have changed. Football is increasingly becoming a passive spectator sport rather than an active spectator support. I am not advocating racial abuse or swearing etc., but there is nothing more enjoyable than the crowd en masse singing a little cheeky chant. Even that is few and far between.
The woman behind me where I sits, spends the entire game talking to the geezer next to her about everything other than football, it is like a fecking social club - I often think why bother? Plus, it is irritating hearing about where she is thinking about booking her holidays. You're here for the football love!
Just my 2p worth...I go and come away miserable in most cases, but it is time with my Dad, that I love. I am 31 years old and would miss that more than anything. At least I can be back home in 15 minutes these days.
I will be surprised if the ManU crowd will be much above 20k.
E.ORG.UK
The problem is actually with us (the punters)
I see people buying a programme, a beer, a pie at extortinate prices. Hit Gartside where it hurts and the only place he understands - his pocket.
If there was a mass boycott of the club shop, concessions and stuff like that, CONSISTENTLY then things would change. It will take time, granted.
I moved seats after missing a season to near the away end in ESL (from the other end of ESL) and the atmosphere is definately better. Nothing like the old days on Burnden Terrace, but I guess times have changed. Football is increasingly becoming a passive spectator sport rather than an active spectator support. I am not advocating racial abuse or swearing etc., but there is nothing more enjoyable than the crowd en masse singing a little cheeky chant. Even that is few and far between.
The woman behind me where I sits, spends the entire game talking to the geezer next to her about everything other than football, it is like a fecking social club - I often think why bother? Plus, it is irritating hearing about where she is thinking about booking her holidays. You're here for the football love!
Just my 2p worth...I go and come away miserable in most cases, but it is time with my Dad, that I love. I am 31 years old and would miss that more than anything. At least I can be back home in 15 minutes these days.
I will be surprised if the ManU crowd will be much above 20k.
Chris Manning, TW says...
10:58am Thu 15 Nov 07
Son of Bolton Reader wrote:Didn;t they say something similar was going to happen when they brought in this new marketing firm?
Batman wrote:It may not sort out the team but it helps with fans moral and fans support for the team. If they have something on their shirt that they actually believe in then that support does go towards boosting moral both on and off the field. How many true fans actually like the present or the last badge. Many fans would rather see the return of the Coat of Arms! It would be one step in the right direction in appeasing fans and help to rebuild the reputation of the club which Gartside et al has destroyed.breightmet wanderer wrote: LETS START THE CAMPAIGN GIVE US OUR BADGE BACK Bolton News PLEASE back us. Bring back our towns badge ! Now !!!!!!!!!! Give the fans something they want! Please post on here, to BEN and Mr.Gartside and Co etcoh aye, bring back the elephant......that\'l l sort the defence out.
notlob, says...
11:30am Thu 15 Nov 07
Football is in the entertainment industry and relies on the paying public to support them even when they are not being entertained that is why they are called fans from the word fanatical. The problem lies with the fans revolting due to several reasons with one common denominator we are fed on garbage from the little fat controller. We are promised every season before the tickets are sold that we are going to buy certain players or calibre of players and this does not materialise and we feel cheated. Gartside has cried wolf once too often with the promises he does not keep he looks at the club from an accountants point of view and cannot be considered to be a football fan as everything is done on the cheep. The appointment of LSL was a huge mistake yet when he had a chance to rectify the problem again he does not look at what is the best option moreover again he does it on the cheap and comes out with a statement saying that anyone in football knows why we have appointed our new manager when in fact no one in football could understand the appointment so making two fundamental errors and thinking that we will support him in any way shape or form as we are fickle. The lad chiphill spud who is a real bolton fan and the amount he spends on the match in comparison to his income shows this and if our owner was half a fan and ploughed half the percentage of his wealth and income as Chiphill does we would have a team of world beaters. My point is the people who run and own our club are in it for the money and not because they are fans of the club just look at steve gibson at Boro he is a fan and has comparable wealth to eddie davies and you see the difference between purely a business man and a fan. The other aspects of our club need addressing inside the Reebok they always use a sledgehammer to crack a nut take smoking the spend money on legal expenses to ensure they have power to evict the smoker rather than accommodate the smoker and opening the doors as at Derby, at half time to allow the smoker to smoke as after all it is not illegal to smoke just in public places. That is just one example and there are many more to detract the paying public entering the Reebok Munich was exceptional in its approach to the fans and they treated us like human beings not animals. The stewards at Bolton are overzealous and should take into account that the paying fan pays their wages and should treat the fan with respect not distain don't forget that we all love the club and want the best and after a week at work they should be allowed to let of steam without the threat of being evicted all in all our club needs to rethink all its policies as it has got things wrong and are not aware of the public's needs they are too far removed in their ivory towers.
Fred Hamer, Gold Coast, Australia says...
11:41am Thu 15 Nov 07
The results have improved ever so slightly with a few draws rather than losses and with this the Manager and some fans think that all is now getting better and we are on the up. I have seen most matches this season and have to say that we are the least skillful team in the premiership. We have players who cannot perform well consistently and some weeks play terribly. However they still get picked next week and if they show a slight improvement in that game comments are made that make them sound like superstars. Anelka is supposedly a world class player but when playing for Bolton he rarely looks world class. (probably due to the lack of service and team ambition to play an attacking game). Diouff sometimes looks good but frequently becomes invisible. If all the players had the same 120% effort that Davies gives every week, and play with confidence in attacking the other teams goal, try to stay on their feet rather than fall over every time they are touched and practice passing to each other rather than boot upfield, then the stayaway fans may start to support them again. I cannot see this team moving up the ladder unless there is a change in personnel on the field and more attacking tactics are used. I really hope that I am wrong but its not looking good and the Manager is smiling and throwing bouquets!
Den, Leigh says...
11:47am Thu 15 Nov 07
Spot on Notlob! the only thing/item i think you may have overlooked is the value for money issue? for sure the quality of football v value for money is a real touchy subject for a lot of fellow fans..and in other sectors of the entertainment industry (as you put it)...the price is proportional to the quality...
Chris Manning, TW says...
11:55am Thu 15 Nov 07
Sell all the players (except Davo), sell the ground, and invest in stem cell research so we can genetically grow a suqad of 16 Kevin Davies.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
12:05pm Thu 15 Nov 07
Chris Manning wrote:very shortsited chris!!!!! we need to keep jussi aswell!! to boot the ball upto davo whilst our team is genetically growing!!!!
Sell all the players (except Davo), sell the ground, and invest in stem cell research so we can genetically grow a suqad of 16 Kevin Davies. Problem solved.
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
12:08pm Thu 15 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:Also a couple of David Lee's, maybe a new Sam Allardyce and a couple of Little Joe Smith's. 1 Gudni Bergson and 1 John McGinlay, 1 Hierro and 1 Djorkef (sp.!!)
Chris Manning wrote: Sell all the players (except Davo), sell the ground, and invest in stem cell research so we can genetically grow a suqad of 16 Kevin Davies. Problem solved.very shortsited chris!!!!! we need to keep jussi aswell!! to boot the ball upto davo whilst our team is genetically growing!!!!
Den, Leigh says...
12:08pm Thu 15 Nov 07
Chris
Exile Gartside to Australia (his preferred location anyway), Megson to Outer Hebrides where he can manage Loch Tarbert. Clear out the dead wood, 6-8 players (depending on the criteria), make Davo the captain....streamlin
e & cap all ticket prices to £20 max. shot the boke with the drum and ..................
Exile Gartside to Australia (his preferred location anyway), Megson to Outer Hebrides where he can manage Loch Tarbert. Clear out the dead wood, 6-8 players (depending on the criteria), make Davo the captain....streamlin
e & cap all ticket prices to £20 max. shot the boke with the drum and ..................
Den, Leigh says...
12:15pm Thu 15 Nov 07
I meant SHOOT......
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE, BOLTON says...
12:16pm Thu 15 Nov 07
grow our team through sperm samples from 20 of the best players to grace football... at least if we grow our squad through this route we'll get a defence and midfield with some b411s!!!!
Den, Leigh says...
12:26pm Thu 15 Nov 07
BWFC-TIL-I-DIE wrote:Problem with this approach is that Gartside will fail to pay the electricity bill (or sign the right contract) at the laboratory where the samples would be growing.....and at some of our players would end up with NO BALLS....NO PASSION....NO SKILLS........
grow our team through sperm samples from 20 of the best players to grace football... at least if we grow our squad through this route we'll get a defence and midfield with some b411s!!!!
Hang on....this is spooky...
Normid Nomad, Howfen says...
1:10pm Thu 15 Nov 07
Chris Manning wrote:I agree with you Chris. But I think that you will find that it is closer to 40K
Below-average wasters like Nicky Hunt going round town bragging about his £26k a week contract turns my stomach.
jay, bolton says...
1:14pm Thu 15 Nov 07
Jon W wrote:ok mate will stop being lazy quoting that! The forest fans i know, only 3 of them but they slate him bigtime and blame him for wrecking their club! The leicester fans i know, quite alot of them and they where all very very happy to see him leave to say the least, Got west brom promoted and relagated spent quite a few quid doing it which he wont have to spend here. Last point before he was appointed 21-22 thousand crowds now roughly 4000 have decided they wont be going to watch us under Megson, also his targets for January which if turn out to be true are terrible. Still think we should stay up like ive said all along but it will be through our quality players and not Megson in my opinion. If you see Megson taking us forward and qualifying for europe next season if we do stay up then your seeing something most of us are probably missing. Oh and why does Cid still keep playing? Worst player at Bolton for years, doesnt speak a word of english and a couple of our own defenders dont even know why he gets a game!
jay wrote: the attendances have dropped even more simply because Gartside is a fkwit and appointed the cheapest possible option for manager, im still baffled how you interview some1 for a job see that they have won 7 in 40odd prem games then decide he must be good enough to manage us! Instead of turning up week in week out with Gartside out banners and protesting at the tw4t ruining our club, alot of just decided to save their time and money! Cant really blame them really, im only going in future when i get hold of a free ticket and theres enough of them about because even season ticket holders are not bothering! There would be more fans turning up if Gartside showed some ambition when appointing a manager, simple as!Jay, I'm not defending the appointment of either of our last 2 managers, but firstly we cant keep throwing that West Brom statistic at Megson, by that rule Billy Davies, Paul Jewell, Mick McCarthy, Aidy Boothroyd, Bruce Rioch etc etc etc etc are crap managers - not true. So stop being lazy in quoting that, its as if we're saying being a manager outside the top flight doesnt count. Secondly, we had BSA as manager for the first half of 2007 but that didnt exactly having people flocking to the Reebok did it? Crowds have been dropping for years, there are loads of reasons, but who our manager is is probably bottom of the list.
Normid Nomad, Howfen says...
1:17pm Thu 15 Nov 07
I think that it is about time that the BN started printing all of the posts on here so that general populas of BN readers can see what is going on. I have at least six mates who are all Bolton Fans and dont even know that this forum exists, so only see the posts that are cherry picked so as not to upset BWFC. Obviously you cant print any posts that are litigous, offensive or written by Jon. Please Bolton News start printing the truth !
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE !!!!
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE !!!!
Jon W, westhoughton says...
1:27pm Thu 15 Nov 07
charnersbwfc wrote:Cant agree. For one, if it was £15 a head we may get a few hundred more each game but no more than that (as shown by the fact that we get lower crowds for Cat C and Cup games than we do for Cat B and above). Secondly, if you are a family of 2 adults and 2 kids, by your prices that would cost £50 for the family. Or £950 a season. Which is about £100 more than a family season ticket in the North Stand. People have given loads of examples of why they no longer go and the evidence suggests price is way down the list, as I said yesterday an adult and child could have attended 5 matches each for less than £100 recently and still nobody bothered.
The answer is to reduce ticket prices, the prices are ridiculous. Bring them down to £15 for adults and £10 for kids and we'll get larger gates than at current.
lord kangana, Bolton says...
1:34pm Thu 15 Nov 07
Jon W wrote:help me out here Jon..
charnersbwfc wrote: The answer is to reduce ticket prices, the prices are ridiculous. Bring them down to £15 for adults and £10 for kids and we'll get larger gates than at current.Cant agree. For one, if it was £15 a head we may get a few hundred more each game but no more than that (as shown by the fact that we get lower crowds for Cat C and Cup games than we do for Cat B and above). Secondly, if you are a family of 2 adults and 2 kids, by your prices that would cost £50 for the family. Or £950 a season. Which is about £100 more than a family season ticket in the North Stand. People have given loads of examples of why they no longer go and the evidence suggests price is way down the list, as I said yesterday an adult and child could have attended 5 matches each for less than £100 recently and still nobody bothered.
I don't go as much as I used to because of the price.
Having watched the Wanderers in all 4 divisions, might I suggest that I am neither a glory hunter or 'johnny-come-lately'
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Is my opinion not valid because you simply disagree with it, or are you gartsides PA under instruction to break up the discussion on the forum.
I repeat - I DON'T GO AS MUCH BECAUSE OF THE PRICES.
CITY TILL I DIE, Manchester says...
1:44pm Thu 15 Nov 07
realise that you are at best a Championship club and get real.
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
1:46pm Thu 15 Nov 07
Jon W wrote:Look at who we have played - compared to they way we have performed. DOes the avergae joe public want to see a mediocre performance against another near the bottom team. Price no matter what, for those games does not come into the equation as the games themselves would be very poor and who want's to waste money in seeing a poor game? Would you want to waste money in seeing a poor concert performance by a band that are heading out of the charts for good due to poor music rather than splitting up? - no difference between the two - ecomonics of performance!!!
charnersbwfc wrote: The answer is to reduce ticket prices, the prices are ridiculous. Bring them down to £15 for adults and £10 for kids and we'll get larger gates than at current.Cant agree. For one, if it was £15 a head we may get a few hundred more each game but no more than that (as shown by the fact that we get lower crowds for Cat C and Cup games than we do for Cat B and above). Secondly, if you are a family of 2 adults and 2 kids, by your prices that would cost £50 for the family. Or £950 a season. Which is about £100 more than a family season ticket in the North Stand. People have given loads of examples of why they no longer go and the evidence suggests price is way down the list, as I said yesterday an adult and child could have attended 5 matches each for less than £100 recently and still nobody bothered.
lord kangana, Bolton says...
1:48pm Thu 15 Nov 07
CITY TILL I DIE wrote:Can we borrow some of your illegal blood money please?
realise that you are at best a Championship club and get real.
That way we too can get back some glory hunters and become a 'MASSIVE' club like citeh.
Normid Nomad, Howfen says...
1:49pm Thu 15 Nov 07
CITY TILL I DIE wrote:What like City ? Who has spent more time in the PL in the last 10 Years and I bet you they dont have the initials MCFC. Get into Europe twice cant even get into the League stage of the UEFA cup - Dead good team Grocklen. You'll be sha66ed when Frank Sinatra gets sent down in Thailand. WDU Just Foreign Office back to Manchester you FIRST CLASS PR1CK. have you heard that the bells just gone for afternoon lessons.
realise that you are at best a Championship club and get real.
CITY TILL I DIE, Manchester says...
1:52pm Thu 15 Nov 07
come on guys, you need a little perspective here. You are dire.
CITY TILL I DIE, Manchester says...
1:55pm Thu 15 Nov 07
the north west needs a cull of teams like bolton & wigan in the prem and get real teams like leeds and wolves back
Normid Nomad, Howfen says...
1:58pm Thu 15 Nov 07
CITY TILL I DIE wrote:Are you not getting confused with the Fizzy pop league here - Wolves ??????????????????? are you for real or just a wind up merchant !! Think that they have only been in the PL for 1 season
the north west needs a cull of teams like bolton & wigan in the prem and get real teams like leeds and wolves back
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:00pm Thu 15 Nov 07
What do you get when you cross City's half way line?
A Goal!
A Goal!
Son of Bolton Reader, Amsterdam says...
2:01pm Thu 15 Nov 07
I fear that the end of City is nigh. Once your chairman is arrested and imprisoned who is going to give you the money. The stadium does not belong to City but belongs to Manchester City Council!!!! There will be no money for wages or new players - an even more dire situation than the Reds. No Bank or finance company will want to touch you after being fooled by a fraudster. Once City have gone into administartion isn't that an automatic 15point deduction - then who will be near the bottom.
I agree the Premiership does need a cull of north west teams such as Wigan and City and bring in more real decent proper footballing teams such as Leeds and FC United of Manchester
Wake up and smell the coffee City are on more borrowed time than what Bolton will ever be (although no-one likes our board, myself included, at least we have real CLEAN money!!!)
I agree the Premiership does need a cull of north west teams such as Wigan and City and bring in more real decent proper footballing teams such as Leeds and FC United of Manchester
Wake up and smell the coffee City are on more borrowed time than what Bolton will ever be (although no-one likes our board, myself included, at least we have real CLEAN money!!!)
lord kangana, Bolton says...
2:02pm Thu 15 Nov 07
CITY TILL I DIE wrote:I take it you started supporting City about 6 weeks ago then?
come on guys, you need a little perspective here. You are dire.
Check the facts, my friend, City have been a waste of a place in the Prem for years.
If your'e so proud of them having sold their sole for a few bucks, then I genuinley pity you.
CITY TILL I DIE, Manchester says...
2:05pm Thu 15 Nov 07
it really doesn't change my view that you are dire though ladies
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
11:10am Wed 14 Nov 07