Wild Wings rescue and rehabilitation centre given marching orders by Bents

Leigh Journal: The Wild Wing team: Vicki Barton, Carole Rose, Pete Dobson and Ian Middleton The Wild Wing team: Vicki Barton, Carole Rose, Pete Dobson and Ian Middleton

THE team at Wild Wings Birds of Prey Education and Rehabilitation Centre has been left ‘devastated’ after they were ordered to vacate its premises at Bents Garden Centre by the end of the month.

The news came as a complete ‘shock’ to staff at the not for profit organisation, who were told to stop trading by April 13th and must move out of the facility by April 30 after an eviction notice was handed to the team yesterday, Wednesday.

Wild Wings moved to Bents Garden Centre around 10 months ago.

The centre houses around 90 birds including harris hawks, peregrine falcons, American kestrels and snowy owls.

Around 95 percent of these birds have been rescued.

Vicki Barton, trainee falconer at the rescue and rehabilitation centre, said: “I feel like we have had the rug pulled from under our feet. It was just a bomb shell.

“All we have been told is that it is no longer working for them. We are as much in the dark about the actual reasons as everyone else.”

A spokesman for Bents said it allowed Wild Wings to move into the facilities without any formal arrangement to speed up the process as the rescue centre needed to move from its previous location urgently.

The spokesman added: “During the last 12 months we have been working hard to try and negotiate an agreement and work up a formal contract to support their business moving forward, but during this time have been unable to agree terms.

“It hasn’t been an instant decision to not continue negotiations. We have been working with Wild Wings over the last few months to try and find a solution to make it work, which is why it has been such a hard decision to take.

“We recognise Wild Wings is a not for profit business and we have therefore invested a lot of time and money into additional marketing work to help promote the centre and encourage people to visit. Unfortunately it hasn’t worked in the way we all hoped for.”

The Wild Wings team is now looking for a plot of land to relocate to in the coming weeks.

Vicki added: “We are desperate. We need about two acres of land for an aviary with around 90 birds and a flying area.

"It’s is a big ask but we are hoping someone will come to the rescue.”

Following the announcement, people have been posting their disgust at Bents' decision with some people urging customers to boycott the garden centre.

Jo White said: “It’s absolutely disgusting to give a self-funding animal rescue centre less than 30 days notice to find alternative housing for 86.

“Absolute shame on you Bents and I will never set foot through your doors again.”

If you can help Wild Wings visit wild-wings.net.

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2:52pm Thu 3 Apr 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

Not doing yourselves any favours here Bent's, what were the terms all your's or your out! How do you possibly think they can set up and find a new sanctuary in such a short period of time. Disgusting way to do business, bully corporation springs to mind!
Not doing yourselves any favours here Bent's, what were the terms all your's or your out! How do you possibly think they can set up and find a new sanctuary in such a short period of time. Disgusting way to do business, bully corporation springs to mind! GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 41

3:10pm Thu 3 Apr 14

widnesman says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Not doing yourselves any favours here Bent's, what were the terms all your's or your out! How do you possibly think they can set up and find a new sanctuary in such a short period of time. Disgusting way to do business, bully corporation springs to mind!
Totally agree, I`ll not be visiting the over priced establishment again!!
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Not doing yourselves any favours here Bent's, what were the terms all your's or your out! How do you possibly think they can set up and find a new sanctuary in such a short period of time. Disgusting way to do business, bully corporation springs to mind![/p][/quote]Totally agree, I`ll not be visiting the over priced establishment again!! widnesman
  • Score: 39

3:20pm Thu 3 Apr 14

dsevans says...

Invested money in advertising have you Bents? In which case, how come people can spend hours in your centre and not even know it house's a bird sanctuary? Hope you suffer for this Bents and I hope a passing buzzard does a series of whatsits all over your garden centre.
Invested money in advertising have you Bents? In which case, how come people can spend hours in your centre and not even know it house's a bird sanctuary? Hope you suffer for this Bents and I hope a passing buzzard does a series of whatsits all over your garden centre. dsevans
  • Score: 38

3:22pm Thu 3 Apr 14

cookie1974 says...

Absolutely disgusting behaviour from Bents, I hope that Wild Wings can find somewhere suitable as soon as possible!
Absolutely disgusting behaviour from Bents, I hope that Wild Wings can find somewhere suitable as soon as possible! cookie1974
  • Score: 26

3:44pm Thu 3 Apr 14

TheCommentatorWrites says...

Sounds a bit mean doesn't it.
Sounds a bit mean doesn't it. TheCommentatorWrites
  • Score: 13

4:38pm Thu 3 Apr 14

advid27 says...

Wow! Cease trading in 11 days, be out in 28 days... We're talking wild life not goods that can just be put in storage!! Perhaps Bents haven't noticed the (VERY positive) media interest that Wild Wings have had in recent weeks...
Wow! Cease trading in 11 days, be out in 28 days... We're talking wild life not goods that can just be put in storage!! Perhaps Bents haven't noticed the (VERY positive) media interest that Wild Wings have had in recent weeks... advid27
  • Score: 20

5:51pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

Shocking from Bents i suggest everyone post the link from this page on the facebook wall then the people will decide if they want to shop at Bents i know after reading this i wont be paying them a visit any time soon , come on people get sharing use this link .
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Shocking from Bents i suggest everyone post the link from this page on the facebook wall then the people will decide if they want to shop at Bents i know after reading this i wont be paying them a visit any time soon , come on people get sharing use this link . http://www.leighjour nal.co.uk/news/11124 819.Wild_Wings_rescu e_and_rehabilitation _centre_given_marchi ng_orders_by_Bents/? ref=var_0 Mickgill
  • Score: 11

6:06pm Thu 3 Apr 14

millionhairs says...

Shame on you Bents, no more custom from me from now on. Hope Wild Wings can find a better place to move to.
Shame on you Bents, no more custom from me from now on. Hope Wild Wings can find a better place to move to. millionhairs
  • Score: 10

6:28pm Thu 3 Apr 14

tizman says...

Terrible decision from an over priced garden centre...they should be ashamed of themselves....hope wild wings find a new home
Terrible decision from an over priced garden centre...they should be ashamed of themselves....hope wild wings find a new home tizman
  • Score: 12

6:33pm Thu 3 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Why haven't Wild Wings management not reached agreement with Bents? It would seem that Bents have assisted them greatly in relocating but need to have the tenancy agreement to be drawn up in order for it to continue. Why can't Wild Wings do that? To totally blame Bents is naive and incongruent with reality, it would appear.
Why haven't Wild Wings management not reached agreement with Bents? It would seem that Bents have assisted them greatly in relocating but need to have the tenancy agreement to be drawn up in order for it to continue. Why can't Wild Wings do that? To totally blame Bents is naive and incongruent with reality, it would appear. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -13

7:04pm Thu 3 Apr 14

marcus_h says...

Absolutely appalling behaviour.

Whether you are able to come to agreement or not, giving such short notice to a not-for-profit organisation with animal sheltering requirements is simply immoral and wrong. This is corporate bullying at its worst.

I for one am hoping that the bad publicity hits your profits, and I'll certainly be adding this news to my social media channels.
Absolutely appalling behaviour. Whether you are able to come to agreement or not, giving such short notice to a not-for-profit organisation with animal sheltering requirements is simply immoral and wrong. This is corporate bullying at its worst. I for one am hoping that the bad publicity hits your profits, and I'll certainly be adding this news to my social media channels. marcus_h
  • Score: 12

7:47pm Thu 3 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

marcus_h wrote:
Absolutely appalling behaviour.

Whether you are able to come to agreement or not, giving such short notice to a not-for-profit organisation with animal sheltering requirements is simply immoral and wrong. This is corporate bullying at its worst.

I for one am hoping that the bad publicity hits your profits, and I'll certainly be adding this news to my social media channels.
You have misunderstood the evidence in the article. There have been attempts by Bents to get an agreement from Wild Wings and Wild wings haven't agreed the terms. Wild Wings may be a not-for-profit business but they will need to raise the money for rent as they don't own the land or premises, in addition to providing feed and housing for the birds and expenses for the volunteers. It would appear that Wild Wings have taken on more than than they can manage and it seems that the management/proprieto
r of Wild Wings is behaving in an incompetent manner and not the philanthropic owners of Bents as you erroneously suggest.
[quote][p][bold]marcus_h[/bold] wrote: Absolutely appalling behaviour. Whether you are able to come to agreement or not, giving such short notice to a not-for-profit organisation with animal sheltering requirements is simply immoral and wrong. This is corporate bullying at its worst. I for one am hoping that the bad publicity hits your profits, and I'll certainly be adding this news to my social media channels.[/p][/quote]You have misunderstood the evidence in the article. There have been attempts by Bents to get an agreement from Wild Wings and Wild wings haven't agreed the terms. Wild Wings may be a not-for-profit business but they will need to raise the money for rent as they don't own the land or premises, in addition to providing feed and housing for the birds and expenses for the volunteers. It would appear that Wild Wings have taken on more than than they can manage and it seems that the management/proprieto r of Wild Wings is behaving in an incompetent manner and not the philanthropic owners of Bents as you erroneously suggest. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -6

8:47pm Thu 3 Apr 14

SW - 96 says...

It seems that there are a lot of people that are forgetting that by "boycotting" Bents you will also be "boycotting" the 300+ STAFF (most local) that they EMPLOY and for this reason, amongst others, Bents are an asset to our community.

Whilst I appreciate the predicament that Wild wings finds itself in, I am almost certain that their management would have been aware of the situation long before now. Wild wings are a LIMITED company and also need to TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY for things not working out with Bents.
It seems that there are a lot of people that are forgetting that by "boycotting" Bents you will also be "boycotting" the 300+ STAFF (most local) that they EMPLOY and for this reason, amongst others, Bents are an asset to our community. Whilst I appreciate the predicament that Wild wings finds itself in, I am almost certain that their management would have been aware of the situation long before now. Wild wings are a LIMITED company and also need to TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY for things not working out with Bents. SW - 96
  • Score: 11

10:24pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Concernedofwarrington says...

Here is the latest appeal film for Wild Wings !!! http://youtu.be/MwOE
LfzP2ds
Here is the latest appeal film for Wild Wings !!! http://youtu.be/MwOE LfzP2ds Concernedofwarrington
  • Score: -2

10:27pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Concernedofwarrington says...

Please share this film far and wide http://youtu.be/MwOE
LfzP2ds
Please share this film far and wide http://youtu.be/MwOE LfzP2ds Concernedofwarrington
  • Score: -4

12:32am Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Concernedofwarringto
n
wrote:
Please share this film far and wide http://youtu.be/MwOE

LfzP2ds
Too little far too late I suggest. A situation of their own making. It would seem that this is not the first time that they have had to relocate their business without safeguarding the needs of the birds and those of the enterprise they run.
[quote][p][bold]Concernedofwarringto n[/bold] wrote: Please share this film far and wide http://youtu.be/MwOE LfzP2ds[/p][/quote]Too little far too late I suggest. A situation of their own making. It would seem that this is not the first time that they have had to relocate their business without safeguarding the needs of the birds and those of the enterprise they run. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 8

1:17am Fri 4 Apr 14

AngryBird1717 says...

Sounds like the staff have piped up on here.
Sounds like the staff have piped up on here. AngryBird1717
  • Score: 6

8:13am Fri 4 Apr 14

the equaliser says...

I just knew as I read this article that the general knee jerk reaction would be negative towards Bents. Why ?? fact is they helped out when Wild Wings got in a pickle and needed to move quickly and this seems to have been overlooked by most. Bents has a duty to its own principles and strategy that allow it to prosper and provide jobs, it has no direct responsibility to the welfare of these birds, thats the role of the Wild Wings management. Its Wild Wings that cannot agree to Bents terms. I am sure if the terms were that onerous then the management of Wild Wings would have known this months ago and should have planned for this scenario, perhaps the fact that they were putting their heads in the sand and dragging their feet is what has forced Bents to pull the plug.
I just knew as I read this article that the general knee jerk reaction would be negative towards Bents. Why ?? fact is they helped out when Wild Wings got in a pickle and needed to move quickly and this seems to have been overlooked by most. Bents has a duty to its own principles and strategy that allow it to prosper and provide jobs, it has no direct responsibility to the welfare of these birds, thats the role of the Wild Wings management. Its Wild Wings that cannot agree to Bents terms. I am sure if the terms were that onerous then the management of Wild Wings would have known this months ago and should have planned for this scenario, perhaps the fact that they were putting their heads in the sand and dragging their feet is what has forced Bents to pull the plug. the equaliser
  • Score: 14

8:35am Fri 4 Apr 14

Luna123 says...

Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys! Luna123
  • Score: -8

8:35am Fri 4 Apr 14

silverlady54 says...

Wild Wings may be doing a worthwhile thing but any project such as this needs plenty of sponsorship behind it and a business plan. It would appear that this is not the case and the owners just expected to be offered everything on a plate. This is not good for the birds they are trying to protect or for the people working for them (paid or voluntary?) I hope they manage to sort it out properly.
Wild Wings may be doing a worthwhile thing but any project such as this needs plenty of sponsorship behind it and a business plan. It would appear that this is not the case and the owners just expected to be offered everything on a plate. This is not good for the birds they are trying to protect or for the people working for them (paid or voluntary?) I hope they manage to sort it out properly. silverlady54
  • Score: 11

9:59am Fri 4 Apr 14

talksense01 says...

I am sure that the incident over the Wild Wings "Charity" will be dealt with in a professional manner as always, I am surprised at the amount of negative comments made about this store, as I know first hand that Bents support many Charities like Christies, and Ronald McDonald house at Alder Hey children’s hospital , along with many other. they donate thousands of pounds each year out of pure kindness and personal encounters with with these organisations. They are running a business, and like most businesses, they are in it to make profits, but unlike most businesses they have grown and nurtured their store through sheer grit, and hard work. These people who are writing about Bents do not have the sense to realise that there are 300+ people working there, and I would imagine locally most people know a friend or family member who work there, so to who's benefit is this for ? Bents has a solid reputation, and I hope that they can work through what appears to have been an IMPOSSIBLE situation for them to continue working with this "charity", and continue to support the Charities who have been so thankful and humble in accepting their donations over the years. Rant over, for now. For all you people out there who have something to say which is damaging and negative , you don’t know the facts, have your say by all means, we are all entitled to an opinion after all, but take a moment to think about the people they have helped and supported. PLEASE
I am sure that the incident over the Wild Wings "Charity" will be dealt with in a professional manner as always, I am surprised at the amount of negative comments made about this store, as I know first hand that Bents support many Charities like Christies, and Ronald McDonald house at Alder Hey children’s hospital , along with many other. they donate thousands of pounds each year out of pure kindness and personal encounters with with these organisations. They are running a business, and like most businesses, they are in it to make profits, but unlike most businesses they have grown and nurtured their store through sheer grit, and hard work. These people who are writing about Bents do not have the sense to realise that there are 300+ people working there, and I would imagine locally most people know a friend or family member who work there, so to who's benefit is this for ? Bents has a solid reputation, and I hope that they can work through what appears to have been an IMPOSSIBLE situation for them to continue working with this "charity", and continue to support the Charities who have been so thankful and humble in accepting their donations over the years. Rant over, for now. For all you people out there who have something to say which is damaging and negative , you don’t know the facts, have your say by all means, we are all entitled to an opinion after all, but take a moment to think about the people they have helped and supported. PLEASE talksense01
  • Score: 13

10:10am Fri 4 Apr 14

sally69 says...

talksense01 wrote:
I am sure that the incident over the Wild Wings "CharityTalk Sense you actually are talking sense, and i will not be boycotting Bents :)
[quote][p][bold]talksense01[/bold] wrote: I am sure that the incident over the Wild Wings "CharityTalk Sense you actually are talking sense, and i will not be boycotting Bents :) sally69
  • Score: 6

10:27am Fri 4 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

talksense01 Bent are not being charitable by kicking 86 birds of prey out with no where to go full stop , this story is now all over Facebook like it or not and people are boycotting Bents why ? because they care about these birds , i am sure if Bents grant a stay of execution till these birds are found new premises the people will hold Bent in higher esteem, at the min they are cast as heartless .
talksense01 Bent are not being charitable by kicking 86 birds of prey out with no where to go full stop , this story is now all over Facebook like it or not and people are boycotting Bents why ? because they care about these birds , i am sure if Bents grant a stay of execution till these birds are found new premises the people will hold Bent in higher esteem, at the min they are cast as heartless . Mickgill
  • Score: -4

11:00am Fri 4 Apr 14

talksense01 says...

Wilde Wings are using social media to blame Bents as its the only thing that can help bring attention to the fact that they now have to act fast , if they hadn't buried their heads in the sand and dealt with the issue many months ago, then this situation would not have arisen.
This will not have come as a shock to them.
It seems Bents pulled them out of a sticky situation from the last location, nothing last forever, and there is only so long a business can carry another business before something has to give.
Id be interested to see how many of the cowards who have commented in a negative way on these social media sites run their own business, and appreciate how difficult it can be to please everyone.
Trying to ruin a business reputation is just vile, especially one that is community spirited and cares for so many other establishments
Wilde Wings are using social media to blame Bents as its the only thing that can help bring attention to the fact that they now have to act fast , if they hadn't buried their heads in the sand and dealt with the issue many months ago, then this situation would not have arisen. This will not have come as a shock to them. It seems Bents pulled them out of a sticky situation from the last location, nothing last forever, and there is only so long a business can carry another business before something has to give. Id be interested to see how many of the cowards who have commented in a negative way on these social media sites run their own business, and appreciate how difficult it can be to please everyone. Trying to ruin a business reputation is just vile, especially one that is community spirited and cares for so many other establishments talksense01
  • Score: 7

11:06am Fri 4 Apr 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

talksense01 wrote:
I am sure that the incident over the Wild Wings "Charity" will be dealt with in a professional manner as always, I am surprised at the amount of negative comments made about this store, as I know first hand that Bents support many Charities like Christies, and Ronald McDonald house at Alder Hey children’s hospital , along with many other. they donate thousands of pounds each year out of pure kindness and personal encounters with with these organisations. They are running a business, and like most businesses, they are in it to make profits, but unlike most businesses they have grown and nurtured their store through sheer grit, and hard work. These people who are writing about Bents do not have the sense to realise that there are 300+ people working there, and I would imagine locally most people know a friend or family member who work there, so to who's benefit is this for ? Bents has a solid reputation, and I hope that they can work through what appears to have been an IMPOSSIBLE situation for them to continue working with this "charity", and continue to support the Charities who have been so thankful and humble in accepting their donations over the years. Rant over, for now. For all you people out there who have something to say which is damaging and negative , you don’t know the facts, have your say by all means, we are all entitled to an opinion after all, but take a moment to think about the people they have helped and supported. PLEASE
Maybe you should take a moment to think about the customers that have supported Bent's PLEASE! It all boils down to the fact that you can not put birds into storage while you find new premises and I think that is what has rattled people. An unreasonable and uncompromising ultimatum by Bent's has not done them any favours with their loyal customers. It makes no difference whatsoever how many staff they employ, it is the way they have handled this particular case. They have basically used bully boy tactics and evicted the charity. But Bent's don't seem to like being bullied by their customers do they!
Still Grumpy
[quote][p][bold]talksense01[/bold] wrote: I am sure that the incident over the Wild Wings "Charity" will be dealt with in a professional manner as always, I am surprised at the amount of negative comments made about this store, as I know first hand that Bents support many Charities like Christies, and Ronald McDonald house at Alder Hey children’s hospital , along with many other. they donate thousands of pounds each year out of pure kindness and personal encounters with with these organisations. They are running a business, and like most businesses, they are in it to make profits, but unlike most businesses they have grown and nurtured their store through sheer grit, and hard work. These people who are writing about Bents do not have the sense to realise that there are 300+ people working there, and I would imagine locally most people know a friend or family member who work there, so to who's benefit is this for ? Bents has a solid reputation, and I hope that they can work through what appears to have been an IMPOSSIBLE situation for them to continue working with this "charity", and continue to support the Charities who have been so thankful and humble in accepting their donations over the years. Rant over, for now. For all you people out there who have something to say which is damaging and negative , you don’t know the facts, have your say by all means, we are all entitled to an opinion after all, but take a moment to think about the people they have helped and supported. PLEASE[/p][/quote]Maybe you should take a moment to think about the customers that have supported Bent's PLEASE! It all boils down to the fact that you can not put birds into storage while you find new premises and I think that is what has rattled people. An unreasonable and uncompromising ultimatum by Bent's has not done them any favours with their loyal customers. It makes no difference whatsoever how many staff they employ, it is the way they have handled this particular case. They have basically used bully boy tactics and evicted the charity. But Bent's don't seem to like being bullied by their customers do they! Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 1

11:42am Fri 4 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

talksense01 wrote:
Wilde Wings are using social media to blame Bents as its the only thing that can help bring attention to the fact that they now have to act fast , if they hadn't buried their heads in the sand and dealt with the issue many months ago, then this situation would not have arisen.
This will not have come as a shock to them.
It seems Bents pulled them out of a sticky situation from the last location, nothing last forever, and there is only so long a business can carry another business before something has to give.
Id be interested to see how many of the cowards who have commented in a negative way on these social media sites run their own business, and appreciate how difficult it can be to please everyone.
Trying to ruin a business reputation is just vile, especially one that is community spirited and cares for so many other establishments
The only cowards on here are Bents and their supporters who want to evict 86 Birds in the name of profits , you seem to know a lot about Bents talksense could be be by any chance you have a vested interest in the company ? , this is not about business this is about 86 birds of prey with no homes to go to , now Bents can either show some class and heart and allow them to stay until new homes are found or the boycott will grow and grow , over to you talksense please try think of the birds not the profits before you make your next post won't you .
[quote][p][bold]talksense01[/bold] wrote: Wilde Wings are using social media to blame Bents as its the only thing that can help bring attention to the fact that they now have to act fast , if they hadn't buried their heads in the sand and dealt with the issue many months ago, then this situation would not have arisen. This will not have come as a shock to them. It seems Bents pulled them out of a sticky situation from the last location, nothing last forever, and there is only so long a business can carry another business before something has to give. Id be interested to see how many of the cowards who have commented in a negative way on these social media sites run their own business, and appreciate how difficult it can be to please everyone. Trying to ruin a business reputation is just vile, especially one that is community spirited and cares for so many other establishments[/p][/quote]The only cowards on here are Bents and their supporters who want to evict 86 Birds in the name of profits , you seem to know a lot about Bents talksense could be be by any chance you have a vested interest in the company ? , this is not about business this is about 86 birds of prey with no homes to go to , now Bents can either show some class and heart and allow them to stay until new homes are found or the boycott will grow and grow , over to you talksense please try think of the birds not the profits before you make your next post won't you . Mickgill
  • Score: -4

11:51am Fri 4 Apr 14

talksense01 says...

If Wild Wings owners would have addressed the issue when this all started, these birds would have been relocated already !! not left till last minute , to now blame Bents for their own lack of responsibility is just bad practice.
I have no financial interest in Bents whatsoever, what I do have is first hand experience of the charities that they donate to year on year, I know they would not have made a decision like this without care and thought for the Birds in question.
If Wild Wings owners would have addressed the issue when this all started, these birds would have been relocated already !! not left till last minute , to now blame Bents for their own lack of responsibility is just bad practice. I have no financial interest in Bents whatsoever, what I do have is first hand experience of the charities that they donate to year on year, I know they would not have made a decision like this without care and thought for the Birds in question. talksense01
  • Score: 7

12:30pm Fri 4 Apr 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

talksense01 wrote:
If Wild Wings owners would have addressed the issue when this all started, these birds would have been relocated already !! not left till last minute , to now blame Bents for their own lack of responsibility is just bad practice.
I have no financial interest in Bents whatsoever, what I do have is first hand experience of the charities that they donate to year on year, I know they would not have made a decision like this without care and thought for the Birds in question.
But the decision was made either way without care and thought for the bird's in question. You keep trying to push the blame back on to Wild Wings, but I must reiterate that no one is questioning the, alleged, bad management of the charity. People are only concerned for the welfare of these bird's you can not store them neither can you let them go free. What you seem to do is pick and choose which charities are worthy of Bents donations and not the charity that they chose to assist in the first place. This is about the bird's not employees, other charities or the charity in question.
[quote][p][bold]talksense01[/bold] wrote: If Wild Wings owners would have addressed the issue when this all started, these birds would have been relocated already !! not left till last minute , to now blame Bents for their own lack of responsibility is just bad practice. I have no financial interest in Bents whatsoever, what I do have is first hand experience of the charities that they donate to year on year, I know they would not have made a decision like this without care and thought for the Birds in question.[/p][/quote]But the decision was made either way without care and thought for the bird's in question. You keep trying to push the blame back on to Wild Wings, but I must reiterate that no one is questioning the, alleged, bad management of the charity. People are only concerned for the welfare of these bird's you can not store them neither can you let them go free. What you seem to do is pick and choose which charities are worthy of Bents donations and not the charity that they chose to assist in the first place. This is about the bird's not employees, other charities or the charity in question. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: -2

12:50pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

It is becoming clear that a non profit making scheme does not suit Bents and i get the feeling that wild wings were only given a home to get more people in so that Bents could make even more profit , maybe that hasn't happened ? and now Bents no longer want them , just a thought .
It is becoming clear that a non profit making scheme does not suit Bents and i get the feeling that wild wings were only given a home to get more people in so that Bents could make even more profit , maybe that hasn't happened ? and now Bents no longer want them , just a thought . Mickgill
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Bewseylad says...

Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?
Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds? Bewseylad
  • Score: 8

3:23pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

Bewseylad wrote:
Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?
How do you know they haven't ?
[quote][p][bold]Bewseylad[/bold] wrote: Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?[/p][/quote]How do you know they haven't ? Mickgill
  • Score: 1

4:56pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Bewseylad says...

Mickgill wrote:
Bewseylad wrote:
Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?
How do you know they haven't ?
Well if you know that they have, be interested to see their response. I have stopped feeding the song birds near me as I was just making easy pickings of them for birds of prey. I prefer to see and hear songbirds enjoying life than witness them being plucked to death in a hawk's talons.
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bewseylad[/bold] wrote: Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?[/p][/quote]How do you know they haven't ?[/p][/quote]Well if you know that they have, be interested to see their response. I have stopped feeding the song birds near me as I was just making easy pickings of them for birds of prey. I prefer to see and hear songbirds enjoying life than witness them being plucked to death in a hawk's talons. Bewseylad
  • Score: -2

5:01pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

Bewseylad wrote:
Mickgill wrote:
Bewseylad wrote:
Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?
How do you know they haven't ?
Well if you know that they have, be interested to see their response. I have stopped feeding the song birds near me as I was just making easy pickings of them for birds of prey. I prefer to see and hear songbirds enjoying life than witness them being plucked to death in a hawk's talons.
I think you will find that is Nature and how it works, but i agree we don't want 86 hawks released into the wild so Bents should let them stay till a new home is found .
[quote][p][bold]Bewseylad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bewseylad[/bold] wrote: Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?[/p][/quote]How do you know they haven't ?[/p][/quote]Well if you know that they have, be interested to see their response. I have stopped feeding the song birds near me as I was just making easy pickings of them for birds of prey. I prefer to see and hear songbirds enjoying life than witness them being plucked to death in a hawk's talons.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that is Nature and how it works, but i agree we don't want 86 hawks released into the wild so Bents should let them stay till a new home is found . Mickgill
  • Score: 3

5:07pm Fri 4 Apr 14

tizman says...

Mickgill wrote:
It is becoming clear that a non profit making scheme does not suit Bents and i get the feeling that wild wings were only given a home to get more people in so that Bents could make even more profit , maybe that hasn't happened ? and now Bents no longer want them , just a thought .
Quite agree...maybe they have already earmarked the spot for something else!!
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: It is becoming clear that a non profit making scheme does not suit Bents and i get the feeling that wild wings were only given a home to get more people in so that Bents could make even more profit , maybe that hasn't happened ? and now Bents no longer want them , just a thought .[/p][/quote]Quite agree...maybe they have already earmarked the spot for something else!! tizman
  • Score: 7

5:15pm Fri 4 Apr 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

Bewseylad wrote:
Mickgill wrote:
Bewseylad wrote:
Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?
How do you know they haven't ?
Well if you know that they have, be interested to see their response. I have stopped feeding the song birds near me as I was just making easy pickings of them for birds of prey. I prefer to see and hear songbirds enjoying life than witness them being plucked to death in a hawk's talons.
What a stupid statement! nature is what it is birds of prey, cats and dogs, you are really clutching at straws and making nonsensical comments it is just nature and nothing you or I will do will change that!. Don't stop feeding birds because of the consequence to them they know the risks and as we all know they have predators on their tail as does all of gods creatures.
[quote][p][bold]Bewseylad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bewseylad[/bold] wrote: Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?[/p][/quote]How do you know they haven't ?[/p][/quote]Well if you know that they have, be interested to see their response. I have stopped feeding the song birds near me as I was just making easy pickings of them for birds of prey. I prefer to see and hear songbirds enjoying life than witness them being plucked to death in a hawk's talons.[/p][/quote]What a stupid statement! nature is what it is birds of prey, cats and dogs, you are really clutching at straws and making nonsensical comments it is just nature and nothing you or I will do will change that!. Don't stop feeding birds because of the consequence to them they know the risks and as we all know they have predators on their tail as does all of gods creatures. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 0

6:03pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Karlar says...

Most responsible raptor owners make sure they are properly housed and fed so they do not impact on the local wildlife. Where raptors have been introduced, for example Red Kites, they too have been responsibly introduced into under controlled conditions. Regretably this is not the case with cats, who despite being fed by their owners nonetheless take a heavy toll on local wildlife.
Most responsible raptor owners make sure they are properly housed and fed so they do not impact on the local wildlife. Where raptors have been introduced, for example Red Kites, they too have been responsibly introduced into under controlled conditions. Regretably this is not the case with cats, who despite being fed by their owners nonetheless take a heavy toll on local wildlife. Karlar
  • Score: 2

6:26pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Luna123 wrote:
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.
[quote][p][bold]Luna123[/bold] wrote: Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys![/p][/quote]Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 2

6:43pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
talksense01 Bent are not being charitable by kicking 86 birds of prey out with no where to go full stop , this story is now all over Facebook like it or not and people are boycotting Bents why ? because they care about these birds , i am sure if Bents grant a stay of execution till these birds are found new premises the people will hold Bent in higher esteem, at the min they are cast as heartless .
It is a pity that Wild wings don't care as much for the Birds as Bents did. If they are actually a charity then the Charities commission may have something to deal with by way of legal action. Wild wings in my opinion don't seem fit to care for such vulnerable specimens of ornithology. Wild Wings associates clearly have an inflated view of their "Not-for-Profit Business" and failing in their duty of care.
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: talksense01 Bent are not being charitable by kicking 86 birds of prey out with no where to go full stop , this story is now all over Facebook like it or not and people are boycotting Bents why ? because they care about these birds , i am sure if Bents grant a stay of execution till these birds are found new premises the people will hold Bent in higher esteem, at the min they are cast as heartless .[/p][/quote]It is a pity that Wild wings don't care as much for the Birds as Bents did. If they are actually a charity then the Charities commission may have something to deal with by way of legal action. Wild wings in my opinion don't seem fit to care for such vulnerable specimens of ornithology. Wild Wings associates clearly have an inflated view of their "Not-for-Profit Business" and failing in their duty of care. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

6:58pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
talksense01 wrote:
Wilde Wings are using social media to blame Bents as its the only thing that can help bring attention to the fact that they now have to act fast , if they hadn't buried their heads in the sand and dealt with the issue many months ago, then this situation would not have arisen.
This will not have come as a shock to them.
It seems Bents pulled them out of a sticky situation from the last location, nothing last forever, and there is only so long a business can carry another business before something has to give.
Id be interested to see how many of the cowards who have commented in a negative way on these social media sites run their own business, and appreciate how difficult it can be to please everyone.
Trying to ruin a business reputation is just vile, especially one that is community spirited and cares for so many other establishments
The only cowards on here are Bents and their supporters who want to evict 86 Birds in the name of profits , you seem to know a lot about Bents talksense could be be by any chance you have a vested interest in the company ? , this is not about business this is about 86 birds of prey with no homes to go to , now Bents can either show some class and heart and allow them to stay until new homes are found or the boycott will grow and grow , over to you talksense please try think of the birds not the profits before you make your next post won't you .
In taking on the task of looking after 86+ Birds and not having adequate resources to do so is at best naive and at worst I would suggest reckless with the posability of causing suffering and harm to the birds. As it has been stated this is not the first time that Wild Wings have stumbled blindly into a similar situation. How will Wild Wings' supporters rationalise that point at issue and will they be contributing financially to assist their favoured not-for -profit Business?
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]talksense01[/bold] wrote: Wilde Wings are using social media to blame Bents as its the only thing that can help bring attention to the fact that they now have to act fast , if they hadn't buried their heads in the sand and dealt with the issue many months ago, then this situation would not have arisen. This will not have come as a shock to them. It seems Bents pulled them out of a sticky situation from the last location, nothing last forever, and there is only so long a business can carry another business before something has to give. Id be interested to see how many of the cowards who have commented in a negative way on these social media sites run their own business, and appreciate how difficult it can be to please everyone. Trying to ruin a business reputation is just vile, especially one that is community spirited and cares for so many other establishments[/p][/quote]The only cowards on here are Bents and their supporters who want to evict 86 Birds in the name of profits , you seem to know a lot about Bents talksense could be be by any chance you have a vested interest in the company ? , this is not about business this is about 86 birds of prey with no homes to go to , now Bents can either show some class and heart and allow them to stay until new homes are found or the boycott will grow and grow , over to you talksense please try think of the birds not the profits before you make your next post won't you .[/p][/quote]In taking on the task of looking after 86+ Birds and not having adequate resources to do so is at best naive and at worst I would suggest reckless with the posability of causing suffering and harm to the birds. As it has been stated this is not the first time that Wild Wings have stumbled blindly into a similar situation. How will Wild Wings' supporters rationalise that point at issue and will they be contributing financially to assist their favoured not-for -profit Business? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
Bewseylad wrote:
Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?
How do you know they haven't ?
Would you support a failing business?
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bewseylad[/bold] wrote: Why don't Wild Wings get in touch with the multi millions "charity" the RSPB who's role is to protect birds?[/p][/quote]How do you know they haven't ?[/p][/quote]Would you support a failing business? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

7:09pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Karlar wrote:
Most responsible raptor owners make sure they are properly housed and fed so they do not impact on the local wildlife. Where raptors have been introduced, for example Red Kites, they too have been responsibly introduced into under controlled conditions. Regretably this is not the case with cats, who despite being fed by their owners nonetheless take a heavy toll on local wildlife.
It is a great pity that Wild Wings are not very good raptor owners, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Karlar[/bold] wrote: Most responsible raptor owners make sure they are properly housed and fed so they do not impact on the local wildlife. Where raptors have been introduced, for example Red Kites, they too have been responsibly introduced into under controlled conditions. Regretably this is not the case with cats, who despite being fed by their owners nonetheless take a heavy toll on local wildlife.[/p][/quote]It is a great pity that Wild Wings are not very good raptor owners, isn't it? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -4

8:00pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mrsngt says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Luna123 wrote:
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.
Wow you are wound up aren't you!
If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luna123[/bold] wrote: Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys![/p][/quote]Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.[/p][/quote]Wow you are wound up aren't you! If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right. Mrsngt
  • Score: 7

8:15pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mrsngt says...

SAC.....where EXACTLY is this mis-management? Wild WIngs have worked closely with local authorities, schools clubs, recommended by the RSPCA, have rescued birds from OTHER centres, saved birds left for dead, rehabilitated birds, spent thousands on vet bills, Wild Wings have done nothing but provide a GREAT public service and will continue to do so. Bents, who you seem to defend, WIld WIngs who you clearly have some kind of "personal" issue with, were in agreement to pursue a project which Bents have decided NOT to continue with, that is their choice, BUT, the point is here the terms at which they wish to end this agreement are not by any means logical, reasonable or have any thought or respect for the snactuary, it's residents or the owners. Ian Middleton is a world reknowned falconer and glovemaker who has been creating gloves for all walks of life for many years, features in very well known publications, is referred to as The Great Bird Whisperer, has even been asked to make gloves for president Kenedies family, famous Falconers across the world and has an astounding reputation for his work rehabilitating and saving rare Birds Of Prey left for dead. His team are loved and adored and do a great job and are very well known in the Bird Of Prey world, for you to slap happily throw slanderous comments around is unjust and misleading to anyone unsuspecting reader who would absorb such rubbish.

Bents made a very harsh and rash decision to end their relationship with Wild Wings, that is their choice, the fact that hundreds of people are in uproar about it just strengthens the fact that they are not liked, the people believe their decision is wrong and the clear support and belief in the Wild Wings team far out-ways any amount of money or mindless ramblings of a keyboard warrior.

So the thing behind you between your cheeks, stop talking out of it and get a grip. Stop trying to turn this situation into what it is not.....and that;s about you and your pathetic opinions based around nothing more than your imagination.

Bents are wrong to do what they have done, they have suffered great criticism and do not understand the great power of social media today. The "little" people have a voice and now it has been heard....it's just that some choose to use theirs to talk nothing but rubbish.
SAC.....where EXACTLY is this mis-management? Wild WIngs have worked closely with local authorities, schools clubs, recommended by the RSPCA, have rescued birds from OTHER centres, saved birds left for dead, rehabilitated birds, spent thousands on vet bills, Wild Wings have done nothing but provide a GREAT public service and will continue to do so. Bents, who you seem to defend, WIld WIngs who you clearly have some kind of "personal" issue with, were in agreement to pursue a project which Bents have decided NOT to continue with, that is their choice, BUT, the point is here the terms at which they wish to end this agreement are not by any means logical, reasonable or have any thought or respect for the snactuary, it's residents or the owners. Ian Middleton is a world reknowned falconer and glovemaker who has been creating gloves for all walks of life for many years, features in very well known publications, is referred to as The Great Bird Whisperer, has even been asked to make gloves for president Kenedies family, famous Falconers across the world and has an astounding reputation for his work rehabilitating and saving rare Birds Of Prey left for dead. His team are loved and adored and do a great job and are very well known in the Bird Of Prey world, for you to slap happily throw slanderous comments around is unjust and misleading to anyone unsuspecting reader who would absorb such rubbish. Bents made a very harsh and rash decision to end their relationship with Wild Wings, that is their choice, the fact that hundreds of people are in uproar about it just strengthens the fact that they are not liked, the people believe their decision is wrong and the clear support and belief in the Wild Wings team far out-ways any amount of money or mindless ramblings of a keyboard warrior. So the thing behind you between your cheeks, stop talking out of it and get a grip. Stop trying to turn this situation into what it is not.....and that;s about you and your pathetic opinions based around nothing more than your imagination. Bents are wrong to do what they have done, they have suffered great criticism and do not understand the great power of social media today. The "little" people have a voice and now it has been heard....it's just that some choose to use theirs to talk nothing but rubbish. Mrsngt
  • Score: 2

8:16pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Luna123 wrote:
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.
Wow you are wound up aren't you!
If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.
You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?
[quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luna123[/bold] wrote: Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys![/p][/quote]Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.[/p][/quote]Wow you are wound up aren't you! If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.[/p][/quote]You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

8:32pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mrsngt says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Luna123 wrote:
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.
Wow you are wound up aren't you!
If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.
You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?
Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luna123[/bold] wrote: Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys![/p][/quote]Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.[/p][/quote]Wow you are wound up aren't you! If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.[/p][/quote]You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?[/p][/quote]Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination. Mrsngt
  • Score: 2

8:36pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mrsngt wrote:
SAC.....where EXACTLY is this mis-management? Wild WIngs have worked closely with local authorities, schools clubs, recommended by the RSPCA, have rescued birds from OTHER centres, saved birds left for dead, rehabilitated birds, spent thousands on vet bills, Wild Wings have done nothing but provide a GREAT public service and will continue to do so. Bents, who you seem to defend, WIld WIngs who you clearly have some kind of "personal" issue with, were in agreement to pursue a project which Bents have decided NOT to continue with, that is their choice, BUT, the point is here the terms at which they wish to end this agreement are not by any means logical, reasonable or have any thought or respect for the snactuary, it's residents or the owners. Ian Middleton is a world reknowned falconer and glovemaker who has been creating gloves for all walks of life for many years, features in very well known publications, is referred to as The Great Bird Whisperer, has even been asked to make gloves for president Kenedies family, famous Falconers across the world and has an astounding reputation for his work rehabilitating and saving rare Birds Of Prey left for dead. His team are loved and adored and do a great job and are very well known in the Bird Of Prey world, for you to slap happily throw slanderous comments around is unjust and misleading to anyone unsuspecting reader who would absorb such rubbish.

Bents made a very harsh and rash decision to end their relationship with Wild Wings, that is their choice, the fact that hundreds of people are in uproar about it just strengthens the fact that they are not liked, the people believe their decision is wrong and the clear support and belief in the Wild Wings team far out-ways any amount of money or mindless ramblings of a keyboard warrior.

So the thing behind you between your cheeks, stop talking out of it and get a grip. Stop trying to turn this situation into what it is not.....and that;s about you and your pathetic opinions based around nothing more than your imagination.

Bents are wrong to do what they have done, they have suffered great criticism and do not understand the great power of social media today. The "little" people have a voice and now it has been heard....it's just that some choose to use theirs to talk nothing but rubbish.
You seem to have listed Ian's strengths and all credit to him for that, however he has some weaknesses that are going to adversely affect his beloved birds. One great weakness is his lack of ability for trying to run a not-for profit business, either as an individual or as part of a team. I am sure that Bents, as an honourable and need I say a successful commercial business, would undoubtedly have offered him and his team copious amounts of proficient business advice in securing a partnership that benefits them and Wild Wings and thus the posability of a more secure future for Wild Wings and their associated activities.
[quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: SAC.....where EXACTLY is this mis-management? Wild WIngs have worked closely with local authorities, schools clubs, recommended by the RSPCA, have rescued birds from OTHER centres, saved birds left for dead, rehabilitated birds, spent thousands on vet bills, Wild Wings have done nothing but provide a GREAT public service and will continue to do so. Bents, who you seem to defend, WIld WIngs who you clearly have some kind of "personal" issue with, were in agreement to pursue a project which Bents have decided NOT to continue with, that is their choice, BUT, the point is here the terms at which they wish to end this agreement are not by any means logical, reasonable or have any thought or respect for the snactuary, it's residents or the owners. Ian Middleton is a world reknowned falconer and glovemaker who has been creating gloves for all walks of life for many years, features in very well known publications, is referred to as The Great Bird Whisperer, has even been asked to make gloves for president Kenedies family, famous Falconers across the world and has an astounding reputation for his work rehabilitating and saving rare Birds Of Prey left for dead. His team are loved and adored and do a great job and are very well known in the Bird Of Prey world, for you to slap happily throw slanderous comments around is unjust and misleading to anyone unsuspecting reader who would absorb such rubbish. Bents made a very harsh and rash decision to end their relationship with Wild Wings, that is their choice, the fact that hundreds of people are in uproar about it just strengthens the fact that they are not liked, the people believe their decision is wrong and the clear support and belief in the Wild Wings team far out-ways any amount of money or mindless ramblings of a keyboard warrior. So the thing behind you between your cheeks, stop talking out of it and get a grip. Stop trying to turn this situation into what it is not.....and that;s about you and your pathetic opinions based around nothing more than your imagination. Bents are wrong to do what they have done, they have suffered great criticism and do not understand the great power of social media today. The "little" people have a voice and now it has been heard....it's just that some choose to use theirs to talk nothing but rubbish.[/p][/quote]You seem to have listed Ian's strengths and all credit to him for that, however he has some weaknesses that are going to adversely affect his beloved birds. One great weakness is his lack of ability for trying to run a not-for profit business, either as an individual or as part of a team. I am sure that Bents, as an honourable and need I say a successful commercial business, would undoubtedly have offered him and his team copious amounts of proficient business advice in securing a partnership that benefits them and Wild Wings and thus the posability of a more secure future for Wild Wings and their associated activities. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

8:46pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mrsngt says...

Weakness? What on earth are you rambling about now, your weakness is your inability to squeeze those cheeks are hard together and stop the churn coming out!!!!

Wild Wings are in the position they are in because Bents are clearly looking at utilizing their land for a more "profitable" venture and NOTHING else.

Wild Wings are fully booked until the end of August and have shared great success with the people that have supported them for all these years. Because a large company decides they wish to get rid of yet another business within their walls does not mean that business has failed, it just means they have a new idea to make money.

But in your world Frodo Baggins saved middle earth and lives happily on an island in the Carribean....get a life and stop trying to tarnish some-one elses....your PR is crap.....like your imagination.
Weakness? What on earth are you rambling about now, your weakness is your inability to squeeze those cheeks are hard together and stop the churn coming out!!!! Wild Wings are in the position they are in because Bents are clearly looking at utilizing their land for a more "profitable" venture and NOTHING else. Wild Wings are fully booked until the end of August and have shared great success with the people that have supported them for all these years. Because a large company decides they wish to get rid of yet another business within their walls does not mean that business has failed, it just means they have a new idea to make money. But in your world Frodo Baggins saved middle earth and lives happily on an island in the Carribean....get a life and stop trying to tarnish some-one elses....your PR is crap.....like your imagination. Mrsngt
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Luna123 wrote:
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.
Wow you are wound up aren't you!
If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.
You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?
Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination.
You seem to be ignorant with regards to commercial landlord and tenants agreements. Wild Wings have failed to meet the requirements in order to continue as tenants on the current site. In simple terms they have failed to take care of the welfare of the birds. Wild Wings have also in my opinion irresponsibly failed to develop a feasible business plan, failed to limit the number of birds in comparison to their available resources. They have had a wake up call and they are now winging, lets face it.
[quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luna123[/bold] wrote: Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys![/p][/quote]Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.[/p][/quote]Wow you are wound up aren't you! If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.[/p][/quote]You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?[/p][/quote]Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination.[/p][/quote]You seem to be ignorant with regards to commercial landlord and tenants agreements. Wild Wings have failed to meet the requirements in order to continue as tenants on the current site. In simple terms they have failed to take care of the welfare of the birds. Wild Wings have also in my opinion irresponsibly failed to develop a feasible business plan, failed to limit the number of birds in comparison to their available resources. They have had a wake up call and they are now winging, lets face it. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 1

9:31pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Mrsngt says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Luna123 wrote:
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.
Wow you are wound up aren't you!
If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.
You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?
Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination.
You seem to be ignorant with regards to commercial landlord and tenants agreements. Wild Wings have failed to meet the requirements in order to continue as tenants on the current site. In simple terms they have failed to take care of the welfare of the birds. Wild Wings have also in my opinion irresponsibly failed to develop a feasible business plan, failed to limit the number of birds in comparison to their available resources. They have had a wake up call and they are now winging, lets face it.
You are talking absolute turf. Wild Wings have not failed anything, they have passed all inspections, passed all certifications and have successfully provided sanctuary for many injured and homeless birds for many years. You are a prolific busy body that throws misleading and mindless opinions on events that you absolutely no clue about. You will continue your pig ignorant rant regardless, it's people like you that cause great misery, busy bodies that unfortunately learned how to type, speak and breathe....Bents have used yet another business for their own gain and have made a decision that's going to have great repercussions for a long time to come.....like this websites misfortune of your access to it.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luna123[/bold] wrote: Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys![/p][/quote]Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.[/p][/quote]Wow you are wound up aren't you! If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.[/p][/quote]You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?[/p][/quote]Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination.[/p][/quote]You seem to be ignorant with regards to commercial landlord and tenants agreements. Wild Wings have failed to meet the requirements in order to continue as tenants on the current site. In simple terms they have failed to take care of the welfare of the birds. Wild Wings have also in my opinion irresponsibly failed to develop a feasible business plan, failed to limit the number of birds in comparison to their available resources. They have had a wake up call and they are now winging, lets face it.[/p][/quote]You are talking absolute turf. Wild Wings have not failed anything, they have passed all inspections, passed all certifications and have successfully provided sanctuary for many injured and homeless birds for many years. You are a prolific busy body that throws misleading and mindless opinions on events that you absolutely no clue about. You will continue your pig ignorant rant regardless, it's people like you that cause great misery, busy bodies that unfortunately learned how to type, speak and breathe....Bents have used yet another business for their own gain and have made a decision that's going to have great repercussions for a long time to come.....like this websites misfortune of your access to it. Mrsngt
  • Score: 2

10:04pm Fri 4 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mrsngt wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Luna123 wrote:
Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys!
Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.
Wow you are wound up aren't you!
If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.
You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?
Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination.
You seem to be ignorant with regards to commercial landlord and tenants agreements. Wild Wings have failed to meet the requirements in order to continue as tenants on the current site. In simple terms they have failed to take care of the welfare of the birds. Wild Wings have also in my opinion irresponsibly failed to develop a feasible business plan, failed to limit the number of birds in comparison to their available resources. They have had a wake up call and they are now winging, lets face it.
You are talking absolute turf. Wild Wings have not failed anything, they have passed all inspections, passed all certifications and have successfully provided sanctuary for many injured and homeless birds for many years. You are a prolific busy body that throws misleading and mindless opinions on events that you absolutely no clue about. You will continue your pig ignorant rant regardless, it's people like you that cause great misery, busy bodies that unfortunately learned how to type, speak and breathe....Bents have used yet another business for their own gain and have made a decision that's going to have great repercussions for a long time to come.....like this websites misfortune of your access to it.
You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody .
[quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrsngt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luna123[/bold] wrote: Clearly a few members of staff from Bents are piping up to try and defend the company they work for. The bottom line is, giving Wild Wings their marching orders and only giving them until the end of the month, for whatever reason, is wrong! These aren't just 1 or 2 budgies we are talking about, it's over 80 birds of prey. Clearly having a 'not for profit' organisation in the same space as rip of merchants 'Bents' wasn't the best idea. I for one won't be returning to Bents, I will however continue to support Wild Wings. Good luck guys![/p][/quote]Supporting wild wing, by doing,what, exactly? They need to get their act together or the R.S.P.C.A will be taking legal action because of their mis-management and possibly their neglect for the welfare of the birds. The have known that that there would be repercussions and conditions for their consecutive temporary premises. You just fail to acknowledge it. I further feel the need to state that i am in no way connected to the Bents Family or their enterprises.[/p][/quote]Wow you are wound up aren't you! If you would care to elaborate of this mis-management and possible neglect I would love to hear it. As it happens, wild wings recently received a full zoo licence, which required visits from the local council and vets ,as well as visits from DEFRA and the police animal welfare unit. All of these agencies praised Wild Wings and their care for the birds. I am sure you could see evidence of this if you actually went to wild wings and asked. Also "consecutive temporary premises" where did you get this from. I doubt they would have moved to any site thinking it was temporary. Maybe you should go and speak to wild wings and get your facts right.[/p][/quote]You are referring to the current situation. but since the imminent situation is that they are due to move again, what are the safeguards for the future for the Birds in the Care of Wild Wings? The fact is that Wild Wings are making their failing business homeless, by not negotiating a reasonable tenancy agreement. So, what possible provision are Wild wings going to undertake possibly in the short-term and perhaps in the long term for the now urgent welfare needs of the 86+ Birds? Where then will the Birds be cared for when the current site is vacated and when will all the required license and statutory requirements be in place ?[/p][/quote]Wild wings haven't made it homeless?....Bents have. Have you read the story above this feed?. As for new sites I am pretty sure they will have had lots of offers....to be sure, you could go and ask them. Then come back with a comment that is factual and not a figment of your imagination.[/p][/quote]You seem to be ignorant with regards to commercial landlord and tenants agreements. Wild Wings have failed to meet the requirements in order to continue as tenants on the current site. In simple terms they have failed to take care of the welfare of the birds. Wild Wings have also in my opinion irresponsibly failed to develop a feasible business plan, failed to limit the number of birds in comparison to their available resources. They have had a wake up call and they are now winging, lets face it.[/p][/quote]You are talking absolute turf. Wild Wings have not failed anything, they have passed all inspections, passed all certifications and have successfully provided sanctuary for many injured and homeless birds for many years. You are a prolific busy body that throws misleading and mindless opinions on events that you absolutely no clue about. You will continue your pig ignorant rant regardless, it's people like you that cause great misery, busy bodies that unfortunately learned how to type, speak and breathe....Bents have used yet another business for their own gain and have made a decision that's going to have great repercussions for a long time to come.....like this websites misfortune of your access to it.[/p][/quote]You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody . SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -2

9:33am Sat 5 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody .
And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds .
You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody . And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds . Mickgill
  • Score: -1

9:48am Sat 5 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody .
And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds .
What are Wild wings going to do now, particularly in light of the adverse publicity they and their supporters are generating? Such behaviour is certainly not going to endear them to another benevolent landlord. The deadline is looming before they are evicted, do you not realise, has it not sunk in? Has the penny not dropped? There are some thoughts that Wild wings need to ponder and they certainly need step up to their incumbent responsibility immediately, so why has there been so little action or such minimal effort in order to resolve the issue?
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody . And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds .[/p][/quote]What are Wild wings going to do now, particularly in light of the adverse publicity they and their supporters are generating? Such behaviour is certainly not going to endear them to another benevolent landlord. The deadline is looming before they are evicted, do you not realise, has it not sunk in? Has the penny not dropped? There are some thoughts that Wild wings need to ponder and they certainly need step up to their incumbent responsibility immediately, so why has there been so little action or such minimal effort in order to resolve the issue? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -3

11:02am Sat 5 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .
How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on . Mickgill
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Sat 5 Apr 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mickgill wrote:
You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody .
And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds .
What are Wild wings going to do now, particularly in light of the adverse publicity they and their supporters are generating? Such behaviour is certainly not going to endear them to another benevolent landlord. The deadline is looming before they are evicted, do you not realise, has it not sunk in? Has the penny not dropped? There are some thoughts that Wild wings need to ponder and they certainly need step up to their incumbent responsibility immediately, so why has there been so little action or such minimal effort in order to resolve the issue?
As per usual SAC rants on as she does no knowledge of either party just her own opinions. The facts are simple, birds need a home, Bents kicked them out that is exactly what it boils down too. Don't get me started SAC I have silenced you so many times it is now getting boring!
Still Grumpy
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody . And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds .[/p][/quote]What are Wild wings going to do now, particularly in light of the adverse publicity they and their supporters are generating? Such behaviour is certainly not going to endear them to another benevolent landlord. The deadline is looming before they are evicted, do you not realise, has it not sunk in? Has the penny not dropped? There are some thoughts that Wild wings need to ponder and they certainly need step up to their incumbent responsibility immediately, so why has there been so little action or such minimal effort in order to resolve the issue?[/p][/quote]As per usual SAC rants on as she does no knowledge of either party just her own opinions. The facts are simple, birds need a home, Bents kicked them out that is exactly what it boils down too. Don't get me started SAC I have silenced you so many times it is now getting boring! Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: -4

7:17pm Sat 5 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .
Perhaps you should adhere to your own advice and do likewise.
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should adhere to your own advice and do likewise. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 4

7:40pm Sat 5 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mickgill wrote:
You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody .
And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds .
What are Wild wings going to do now, particularly in light of the adverse publicity they and their supporters are generating? Such behaviour is certainly not going to endear them to another benevolent landlord. The deadline is looming before they are evicted, do you not realise, has it not sunk in? Has the penny not dropped? There are some thoughts that Wild wings need to ponder and they certainly need step up to their incumbent responsibility immediately, so why has there been so little action or such minimal effort in order to resolve the issue?
As per usual SAC rants on as she does no knowledge of either party just her own opinions. The facts are simple, birds need a home, Bents kicked them out that is exactly what it boils down too. Don't get me started SAC I have silenced you so many times it is now getting boring!
Still Grumpy
Clearly what you think you have done hasn't materialised or had any affect on me. If life was oh so simple as you suggest. Surely you could realise that the full story is not reported . It is clear that Wild Wings will have to consider adhering to Bents tenancy agreement and stay put, which is unlikely given the adverse publicity they have generated against Bents, secondly to definitely take swift action because of the impending eviction or thirdly disperse the collection amongst other bird sanctuaries in order to cater adequately for the welfare needs of the birds. Now you are not going to tell me that they unfeasible forms of action that can be easily understood and actioned, or are you that stupid to do so?
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: You may have described the past from a narrowed perspective but Wild Wings are not going to flourish if you continue with your particular attitude you may consider doing them justice by offering Wild Wings some viable solutions to their current self-inflicted predicaments. Clearly Wild wings should have done much more in order to secure and safeguard the current and future welfare needs of the birds that are allegedly in their care and custody . And you think Bent's must flourish at all cost ? at a cost to the homes of 86 birds of prey ? you are nothing more than a greedy capitalist who's God is PROFIT, you are devoid of any feeling for the welfare of these birds as are Bents, well this story has gone viral its all over facebook and twitter Bents are going to suffer not the Birds .[/p][/quote]What are Wild wings going to do now, particularly in light of the adverse publicity they and their supporters are generating? Such behaviour is certainly not going to endear them to another benevolent landlord. The deadline is looming before they are evicted, do you not realise, has it not sunk in? Has the penny not dropped? There are some thoughts that Wild wings need to ponder and they certainly need step up to their incumbent responsibility immediately, so why has there been so little action or such minimal effort in order to resolve the issue?[/p][/quote]As per usual SAC rants on as she does no knowledge of either party just her own opinions. The facts are simple, birds need a home, Bents kicked them out that is exactly what it boils down too. Don't get me started SAC I have silenced you so many times it is now getting boring! Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]Clearly what you think you have done hasn't materialised or had any affect on me. If life was oh so simple as you suggest. Surely you could realise that the full story is not reported . It is clear that Wild Wings will have to consider adhering to Bents tenancy agreement and stay put, which is unlikely given the adverse publicity they have generated against Bents, secondly to definitely take swift action because of the impending eviction or thirdly disperse the collection amongst other bird sanctuaries in order to cater adequately for the welfare needs of the birds. Now you are not going to tell me that they unfeasible forms of action that can be easily understood and actioned, or are you that stupid to do so? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 1

10:09pm Sat 5 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .
So am I correct to think that you want Bents to provide Wild Wings with some of their running costs without any conditions or restrictions whatsoever?

Are you therefore suggesting that Bents should hand over the land to Wild wings in perpetuity?

Why do you think Bents have taken steps in order to evict Wild Wings from land that is Bents land?
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .[/p][/quote]So am I correct to think that you want Bents to provide Wild Wings with some of their running costs without any conditions or restrictions whatsoever? Are you therefore suggesting that Bents should hand over the land to Wild wings in perpetuity? Why do you think Bents have taken steps in order to evict Wild Wings from land that is Bents land? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 2

1:52pm Sun 6 Apr 14

tarasmum says...

Bents - you miserable, mean minded, heartless creeps! You've just lost yet another customer !!.
Bents - you miserable, mean minded, heartless creeps! You've just lost yet another customer !!. tarasmum
  • Score: -3

3:11pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mickgill wrote:
How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .
So am I correct to think that you want Bents to provide Wild Wings with some of their running costs without any conditions or restrictions whatsoever?

Are you therefore suggesting that Bents should hand over the land to Wild wings in perpetuity?

Why do you think Bents have taken steps in order to evict Wild Wings from land that is Bents land?
I think they have taken these steps because WW does not make them money simple as that .
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .[/p][/quote]So am I correct to think that you want Bents to provide Wild Wings with some of their running costs without any conditions or restrictions whatsoever? Are you therefore suggesting that Bents should hand over the land to Wild wings in perpetuity? Why do you think Bents have taken steps in order to evict Wild Wings from land that is Bents land?[/p][/quote]I think they have taken these steps because WW does not make them money simple as that . Mickgill
  • Score: -3

5:15pm Sun 6 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Mickgill wrote:
How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .
So am I correct to think that you want Bents to provide Wild Wings with some of their running costs without any conditions or restrictions whatsoever?

Are you therefore suggesting that Bents should hand over the land to Wild wings in perpetuity?

Why do you think Bents have taken steps in order to evict Wild Wings from land that is Bents land?
I think they have taken these steps because WW does not make them money simple as that .
That appears to be adequate enough a reason for Bents to insist that they pay their way or move out and Wild Wings left Bents with little options other than asking them to vacate Bents own premises. More suggested evidence evidence from you that Wild wings have put the welfare of the birds allegedly in their care and under their protection at serious risk. Perhaps the Local Parish council will / may be able to provide the land required by Wild Wings at public expense given that so many locals want to see them remain in the area. Now you must agree with that potential solution.
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: How do you know they have not took action ? or are you in touch with the owners of Bents , the penny has not dropped with you and your made up tripe and you have posted fairy story's as you go on this thread, you need to post what you know not what you think is going on .[/p][/quote]So am I correct to think that you want Bents to provide Wild Wings with some of their running costs without any conditions or restrictions whatsoever? Are you therefore suggesting that Bents should hand over the land to Wild wings in perpetuity? Why do you think Bents have taken steps in order to evict Wild Wings from land that is Bents land?[/p][/quote]I think they have taken these steps because WW does not make them money simple as that .[/p][/quote]That appears to be adequate enough a reason for Bents to insist that they pay their way or move out and Wild Wings left Bents with little options other than asking them to vacate Bents own premises. More suggested evidence evidence from you that Wild wings have put the welfare of the birds allegedly in their care and under their protection at serious risk. Perhaps the Local Parish council will / may be able to provide the land required by Wild Wings at public expense given that so many locals want to see them remain in the area. Now you must agree with that potential solution. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

I will agree with anyone who gives these birds sanctuary . Bent knew they were a non profit making organisation when they took them on board, i get the feeling Bents saw them as a money spinner and it has not worked out that way so they have getting the boot .
I will agree with anyone who gives these birds sanctuary . Bent knew they were a non profit making organisation when they took them on board, i get the feeling Bents saw them as a money spinner and it has not worked out that way so they have getting the boot . Mickgill
  • Score: -2

10:25pm Sun 6 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Mickgill wrote:
I will agree with anyone who gives these birds sanctuary . Bent knew they were a non profit making organisation when they took them on board, i get the feeling Bents saw them as a money spinner and it has not worked out that way so they have getting the boot .
Would you house them on your premises? Rent free and be expected to share their up keep, I think not. Bents is a commercial business and is benevolent to worthy causes that are run with a reasonable amount of credibility, Wild Wings proprietors have not demonstrated such credibility and as a business they should consider their finances like most other not-for-profit businesses. Common sense really, and from my own opinion, perspective, and a decade of experience running a successful one. Wild wings have erroneously overstretched their available resources thus putting the birds at unnecessary and avoidable risk, Shameful behaviour from Wild Wings. They actually need to do something useful and find the birds a new home or homes, and soon!
[quote][p][bold]Mickgill[/bold] wrote: I will agree with anyone who gives these birds sanctuary . Bent knew they were a non profit making organisation when they took them on board, i get the feeling Bents saw them as a money spinner and it has not worked out that way so they have getting the boot .[/p][/quote]Would you house them on your premises? Rent free and be expected to share their up keep, I think not. Bents is a commercial business and is benevolent to worthy causes that are run with a reasonable amount of credibility, Wild Wings proprietors have not demonstrated such credibility and as a business they should consider their finances like most other not-for-profit businesses. Common sense really, and from my own opinion, perspective, and a decade of experience running a successful one. Wild wings have erroneously overstretched their available resources thus putting the birds at unnecessary and avoidable risk, Shameful behaviour from Wild Wings. They actually need to do something useful and find the birds a new home or homes, and soon! SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 0

12:38pm Mon 7 Apr 14

advid27 says...

Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like?
Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like? advid27
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Mon 7 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

advid27 wrote:
Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like?
In bringing you back to the subject of the WG article, the eviction notice. Wild Wings clearly have to move and find somewhere else to be able to run their business. Have you any reasonable suggestions for the future and primarily the welfare needs of the Birds?
[quote][p][bold]advid27[/bold] wrote: Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like?[/p][/quote]In bringing you back to the subject of the WG article, the eviction notice. Wild Wings clearly have to move and find somewhere else to be able to run their business. Have you any reasonable suggestions for the future and primarily the welfare needs of the Birds? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 1

1:33pm Mon 7 Apr 14

nextdoor says...

At the end of the day, everyone has a notice period when signing a lease contract. IF WW signed one for a period of 30 days, when they knew they had the welfare of birds to consider, more fool them.

I very much doubt Bents would have served the eviction notice without a solid reason. They have a 'charitable, family business' reputation to keep.
At the end of the day, everyone has a notice period when signing a lease contract. IF WW signed one for a period of 30 days, when they knew they had the welfare of birds to consider, more fool them. I very much doubt Bents would have served the eviction notice without a solid reason. They have a 'charitable, family business' reputation to keep. nextdoor
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Mon 7 Apr 14

advid27 says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
advid27 wrote:
Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like?
In bringing you back to the subject of the WG article, the eviction notice. Wild Wings clearly have to move and find somewhere else to be able to run their business. Have you any reasonable suggestions for the future and primarily the welfare needs of the Birds?
So it doesn't say they are there rent-free; you haven't spoken to them; and you haven't been to see the place.
No, I don't have any reasonable suggestions - other than to give Wild Wings a reasonable amount of time in which to find somewhere else.
What reasonable suggestions do you have that might be helpful instead of putting ALL the blame at the door of Wild Wing?
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]advid27[/bold] wrote: Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like?[/p][/quote]In bringing you back to the subject of the WG article, the eviction notice. Wild Wings clearly have to move and find somewhere else to be able to run their business. Have you any reasonable suggestions for the future and primarily the welfare needs of the Birds?[/p][/quote]So it doesn't say they are there rent-free; you haven't spoken to them; and you haven't been to see the place. No, I don't have any reasonable suggestions - other than to give Wild Wings a reasonable amount of time in which to find somewhere else. What reasonable suggestions do you have that might be helpful instead of putting ALL the blame at the door of Wild Wing? advid27
  • Score: -3

1:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

advid27 wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
advid27 wrote:
Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like?
In bringing you back to the subject of the WG article, the eviction notice. Wild Wings clearly have to move and find somewhere else to be able to run their business. Have you any reasonable suggestions for the future and primarily the welfare needs of the Birds?
So it doesn't say they are there rent-free; you haven't spoken to them; and you haven't been to see the place.
No, I don't have any reasonable suggestions - other than to give Wild Wings a reasonable amount of time in which to find somewhere else.
What reasonable suggestions do you have that might be helpful instead of putting ALL the blame at the door of Wild Wing?
Wild Wings have captivated the wild birds and n and turned them into a business when will the step up and take care of them or relinquish their custody to those who can? What are you actually doing to support them, nothing I see from your comments.
[quote][p][bold]advid27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]advid27[/bold] wrote: Where does it say that Wild Wings are there rent-free? Have you actually spoken to anyone from Wild Wings? Or even been there to see what it is like?[/p][/quote]In bringing you back to the subject of the WG article, the eviction notice. Wild Wings clearly have to move and find somewhere else to be able to run their business. Have you any reasonable suggestions for the future and primarily the welfare needs of the Birds?[/p][/quote]So it doesn't say they are there rent-free; you haven't spoken to them; and you haven't been to see the place. No, I don't have any reasonable suggestions - other than to give Wild Wings a reasonable amount of time in which to find somewhere else. What reasonable suggestions do you have that might be helpful instead of putting ALL the blame at the door of Wild Wing?[/p][/quote]Wild Wings have captivated the wild birds and n and turned them into a business when will the step up and take care of them or relinquish their custody to those who can? What are you actually doing to support them, nothing I see from your comments. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 0

2:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

advid27 says...

With all due respect, I suggest that you take a look at what Wild Wings ACTUALLY do - you might then see how well qualified - and well respected they are - in the care they give these birds.
You accuse me of doing nothing to support them without knowing anything about me, or about Wild Wings themselves - what have you done except fire off ill-based accusations based on no knowledge of the realities?
With all due respect, I suggest that you take a look at what Wild Wings ACTUALLY do - you might then see how well qualified - and well respected they are - in the care they give these birds. You accuse me of doing nothing to support them without knowing anything about me, or about Wild Wings themselves - what have you done except fire off ill-based accusations based on no knowledge of the realities? advid27
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Mon 7 Apr 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

advid27 wrote:
With all due respect, I suggest that you take a look at what Wild Wings ACTUALLY do - you might then see how well qualified - and well respected they are - in the care they give these birds.
You accuse me of doing nothing to support them without knowing anything about me, or about Wild Wings themselves - what have you done except fire off ill-based accusations based on no knowledge of the realities?
Their actions by rendering the birds homeless says it all, speaks volumes. The adverse publicity is not going to endear them to another landlord, is that not detrimental to the welfare of the captivated wild birds?
[quote][p][bold]advid27[/bold] wrote: With all due respect, I suggest that you take a look at what Wild Wings ACTUALLY do - you might then see how well qualified - and well respected they are - in the care they give these birds. You accuse me of doing nothing to support them without knowing anything about me, or about Wild Wings themselves - what have you done except fire off ill-based accusations based on no knowledge of the realities?[/p][/quote]Their actions by rendering the birds homeless says it all, speaks volumes. The adverse publicity is not going to endear them to another landlord, is that not detrimental to the welfare of the captivated wild birds? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 0

3:00pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Mickgill says...

SAC it's Bents who are rendering the birds homeless .
SAC it's Bents who are rendering the birds homeless . Mickgill
  • Score: -3

4:22pm Mon 7 Apr 14

WInwick Pig says...

Sling your Rook.

:@)
Sling your Rook. :@) WInwick Pig
  • Score: -2

5:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Karlar says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
advid27 wrote:
With all due respect, I suggest that you take a look at what Wild Wings ACTUALLY do - you might then see how well qualified - and well respected they are - in the care they give these birds.
You accuse me of doing nothing to support them without knowing anything about me, or about Wild Wings themselves - what have you done except fire off ill-based accusations based on no knowledge of the realities?
Their actions by rendering the birds homeless says it all, speaks volumes. The adverse publicity is not going to endear them to another landlord, is that not detrimental to the welfare of the captivated wild birds?
Captivated wild birds?
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]advid27[/bold] wrote: With all due respect, I suggest that you take a look at what Wild Wings ACTUALLY do - you might then see how well qualified - and well respected they are - in the care they give these birds. You accuse me of doing nothing to support them without knowing anything about me, or about Wild Wings themselves - what have you done except fire off ill-based accusations based on no knowledge of the realities?[/p][/quote]Their actions by rendering the birds homeless says it all, speaks volumes. The adverse publicity is not going to endear them to another landlord, is that not detrimental to the welfare of the captivated wild birds?[/p][/quote]Captivated wild birds? Karlar
  • Score: 5

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